PokerStars

[AeWingnut]

anyone playing on PokerStars? I was but today I decided that there are way too many suckouts. Sure, there are bad beats here and there. Aces get cracked often. But they intentionally set you up time and again. The one that killed it for me today was pocket Qs. The flop was 10 10 7. No over cards but I could be beat. I bet, he raises, I call. The turn card is a Queen. Sweet Fullhouse Queens over 10s. I bet he raises I re-raise he puts me all in.
cards are turned up. I was up against pockets Aces. Wow he has to be upset getting Aces cracked. I got him... or so I thought. Ace comes on the river. I'm done. Just over the top with 2nd best hands. if you are ahead at the flop or turn card you won't be on the river. This isn't luck this is by design.
my idea for a new PokerStars t-shirt "I got sucked out at PokerStars"

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

anyone playing on PokerStars? I was but today I decided that there are way too many suckouts. Sure, there are bad beats here and there. Aces get cracked often. But they intentionally set you up time and again. The one that killed it for me today was pocket Qs. The flop was 10 10 7. No over cards but I could be beat. I bet, he raises, I call. The turn card is a Queen. Sweet Fullhouse Queens over 10s. I bet he raises I re-raise he puts me all in.
cards are turned up. I was up against pockets Aces. Wow he has to be upset getting Aces cracked. I got him... or so I thought. Ace comes on the river. I'm done. Just over the top with 2nd best hands. if you are ahead at the flop or turn card you won't be on the river. This isn't luck this is by design.
my idea for a new PokerStars t-shirt "I got sucked out at PokerStars"

I know that there is no way to prove it, but when you first deposit money you get all kinds of good cards and you are the one sucking out on people. Everyone I speak to , says they have always did well when they first opened their accounts. Then after a week they say that they get the worse beats ever on the site. I just used to play those small sit and go's. I did ok for a while and actually made some money. Nothing big. After a while I just got tired of it. I would rather play the ponies than sit there and play cards.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I know that there is no way to prove it, but when you first deposit money you get all kinds of good cards and you are the one sucking out on people. Everyone I speak to , says they have always did well when they first opened their accounts. Then after a week they say that they get the worse beats ever on the site. I just used to play those small sit and go's. I did ok for a while and actually made some money. Nothing big. After a while I just got tired of it. I would rather play the ponies than sit there and play cards.

Yes, it's not like you have top two pair and someone beats you with a set because they have pocket 4s and there is a 4 on the turn. (saw that often)It is the runner runner with the only 2 cards in the entire deck that can beat you. You will have 6 or more outs they only have one and they get it. I was almost convinced they were poker-bots. No one in their right mind would call some of the bets unless they knew what the cards were going to be. I guess if you can afford to play long enough you would recognize it. But seriously I have seen 4 of a kind several times and I got a straight flush on the flop once. Ofcourse I made a minimum bet after the turn and everyone folded.

I've seen some of the stars playing. They play against the same people on a couple tables. it's a little suspect. Tried cashing out but supposedly waiting on my last deposit to clear before they will allow me to cashout.

Maybe we need to get a blog started

http://www.igotsuckedoutatpokerstars.blogspot.com

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

Yes, it's not like you have top two pair and someone beats you with a set because they have pocket 4s and there is a 4 on the turn. (saw that often)It is the runner runner with the only 2 cards in the entire deck that can beat you. You will have 6 or more outs they only have one and they get it. I was almost convinced they were poker-bots. No one in their right mind would call some of the bets unless they knew what the cards were going to be. I guess if you can afford to play long enough you would recognize it. But seriously I have seen 4 of a kind several times and I got a straight flush on the flop once. Ofcourse I made a minimum bet after the turn and everyone folded.
I've seen some of the stars playing. They play against the same people on a couple tables. it's a little suspect. Tried cashing out but supposedly waiting on my last deposit to clear before they will allow me to cashout.

Maybe we need to get a blog started

http://www.igotsuckedoutatpokerstars.blogspot.com

I forgot about those, you try to slow play a monster and someone cracks you on the river. If you have the nuts, make the mininum bet people are running from you like you have the plauge! Have to admit, I have never thought about poker bots, but it wouldn't suprise me at all.

[hi_im_god]

this conversation is an example of why i long ago blocked all chat when i play.

between table coaches and "this site is fixed", there really isn't much worth reading.

the problem i'm hearing expressed is an externalization of an internal problem. you may have completely mastered the skill portion of the game (or not) but completely lack the ability to deal with bad luck. and bad luck is going to happen to anyone who gambles, no matter their skill.

good and bad runs are part of the game. it's human nature that you ascribe the good runs to a little luck and a lot of skill. but the bad runs seem so impossibly inexplicable that there must be some outside force involved. so you pull out a talisman. or pray. or convince yourself the site is fixed.

you haven't mastered the luck.

the house rakes the same amount on these websites. whether they control the fall of cards or leave it random. why would they risk everything for nothing?

you haven't mastered the luck. it's you. you had a bad run. play long enough and you'll have a worse one. it's isn't that you angered god. it isn't that you forgot to wear green. it isn't a cheat. your perception is wrong.

if you think i'm wrong, you should not be playing.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

this conversation is an example of why i long ago blocked all chat when i play.

between table coaches and "this site is fixed", there really isn't much worth reading.

the problem i'm hearing expressed is an externalization of an internal problem. you may have completely mastered the skill portion of the game (or not) but completely lack the ability to deal with bad luck. and bad luck is going to happen to anyone who gambles, no matter their skill.

good and bad runs are part of the game. it's human nature that you ascribe the good runs to a little luck and a lot of skill. but the bad runs seem so impossibly inexplicable that there must be some outside force involved. so you pull out a talisman. or pray. or convince yourself the site is fixed.

you haven't mastered the luck.

the house rakes the same amount on these websites. whether they control the fall of cards or leave it random. why would they risk everything for nothing?

you haven't mastered the luck. it's you. you had a bad run. play long enough and you'll have a worse one. it's isn't that you angered god. it isn't that you forgot to wear green. it isn't a cheat. your perception is wrong.

if you think i'm wrong, you should not be playing.

it's the probablities. In horse racing ,what are the probabilities that there will be 3 consecutive races where the longest shot on the board wins? What is the probability that they will all be over 50-1.

That is what I see at Poker Stars. Too often I have seen 4 of a kind. Too often the dominate hand is beat. You'll never see this in an actual game. My perceptions are reality.

The odds that my Qs were up against a bigger pocket pair are 0.009% and to be ahead with a full house and then lose with only 1 of the 2 aces left in the deck is like 0.00001%

the odds of seeing 3 of kind on the flop (community cards) is 459 to 1 yet Poker Stars does it with regularity.

Not playing PokerStars anymore. Just waiting to get my money out and never go back. It isn't an isolated incident. You are the first one that has ever said anything in their defense. I am not alone on the "luck" Yes, the house take is the same unless the house is playing. I don't believe they are but the program is completely screwed up.

[herkhorse]

I would have to agree with god here. Why would they care who win or loses?

[pmayjr]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

this conversation is an example of why i long ago blocked all chat when i play.

between table coaches and "this site is fixed", there really isn't much worth reading.

the problem i'm hearing expressed is an externalization of an internal problem. you may have completely mastered the skill portion of the game (or not) but completely lack the ability to deal with bad luck. and bad luck is going to happen to anyone who gambles, no matter their skill.

good and bad runs are part of the game. it's human nature that you ascribe the good runs to a little luck and a lot of skill. but the bad runs seem so impossibly inexplicable that there must be some outside force involved. so you pull out a talisman. or pray. or convince yourself the site is fixed.

you haven't mastered the luck.

the house rakes the same amount on these websites. whether they control the fall of cards or leave it random. why would they risk everything for nothing?

you haven't mastered the luck. it's you. you had a bad run. play long enough and you'll have a worse one. it's isn't that you angered god. it isn't that you forgot to wear green. it isn't a cheat. your perception is wrong.

if you think i'm wrong, you should not be playing.

Normally I'd totally agree with you, but some of the ways I've been snapped off on that site as well, I wonder too... I play at Canterbury Park, where they have limit hold 'em and everyone calls you with everything. I also play in a crazy home game where people call you with everything (the home game is NL). In both the Canterbury and home-games, I've been snapped off pretty bad. BUT NOTHING LIKE POKER STARS. Ever since that internet gambling legislation came down, I haven't invested anymore $$$$ in it. But I'm just sayin...

[GPK]

by the way....if anyone plays on Full Tilt....I am SeaScape

[The Bid]

I have a 5000.00 T shirt from Poker Stars.