3 year old filly Eclipse?

[Betsy]

Apparently, Proud Spell has finished 2nd in the Cotillion (found this out on another board).......by 3 lengths to Seattle Smooth. I know Larry Jones has been snippy and adament that his filly has/had a lock on the award, although I didn't necessarily agree with him. Didn't Flute win the KY Oaks and the Alabama and still not get the award?

I'm hoping that PS's defeat will enhance MN's chances of winning the Eclipse; does she have a shot at it if she runs well/decently (who knows how she will handle the synthetic track at SA) in the BC?

Thanks!

[hockey2315]

She probably has to win. . .

[ateamstupid]

Why not Indian Blessing?

[hockey2315]

I agree that she deserves to be considered. . .

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Why not Indian Blessing?

really why not, shes a freak...

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

She probably has to win. . .

Why would MN have to win? She's 1-1 in a head to head match up and this was a bad loss for PS in the sense that it was a pretty terrible field. MN had to be penalized for her loss to PS, so PS definitely needs to be penalized for this loss.

I just can not see giving the title to Indian Blessing. I didn't even agree with Xtra Heat, but none of the 3 year old fillies that year did enough to secure the award. IB is up against two very good fillies in PS and Music Note that have done a lot this year. She'll very likely win the BC Distaff Sprint (or whatever it is it's called) and get the championship for female sprinter, which she would deserve.

[ateamstupid]

Indian Blessing's only losses this year are to Proud Spell and Zaftig, and she beat the former once. If she wins the BC F&M Sprint and neither Music Note nor Proud Spell win the Distaff, why shouldn't she be considered?

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Indian Blessing's only losses this year are to Proud Spell and Zaftig, and she beat the former once. If she wins the BC F&M Sprint and neither Music Note nor Proud Spell win the Distaff, why shouldn't she be considered?

Music Note has the Mother Goose, CCA, Gazelle and a 2nd in the Alabama on her record. Proud Spell as the KY Oaks, Alabama, FG Oaks (I believe) and Delaware Oaks on her record.

Indian Blessing won a stake or two at the FG this year (one of which was ungraded, I think), the Test, another sprint stakes (not major) and this race today. If she wins the Filly and Mare Sprint, she deserves to be on the ballot for sure for 3 year old filly champion, but no - I don't think her resume stacks up as champion filly, not when PS and MN have done so much.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Music Note has the Mother Goose, CCA, Gazelle and a 2nd in the Alabama on her record. Proud Spell as the KY Oaks, Alabama, FG Oaks (I believe) and Delaware Oaks on her record.

Indian Blessing won a stake or two at the FG this year (one of which was ungraded, I think), the Test, another sprint stakes (not major) and this race today. If she wins the Filly and Mare Sprint, she deserves to be on the ballot for sure for 3 year old filly champion, but no - I don't think her resume stacks up as champion filly, not when PS and MN have done so much.

Umm. . . it was the Grade 1 Prioress

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Indian Blessing's only losses this year are to Proud Spell and Zaftig, and she beat the former once. If she wins the BC F&M Sprint and neither Music Note nor Proud Spell win the Distaff, why shouldn't she be considered?

I for one think Indian Blessing is the best 3yo filly out there. And I think she'll get it if the circumstance above happens!

[pgiaco]

Sounds like Proud Spell is done for the year, at least according to Blood Horse.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Why would MN have to win? She's 1-1 in a head to head match up and this was a bad loss for PS in the sense that it was a pretty terrible field. MN had to be penalized for her loss to PS, so PS definitely needs to be penalized for this loss.

I just can not see giving the title to Indian Blessing. I didn't even agree with Xtra Heat, but none of the 3 year old fillies that year did enough to secure the award. IB is up against two very good fillies in PS and Music Note that have done a lot this year. She'll very likely win the BC Distaff Sprint (or whatever it is it's called) and get the championship for female sprinter, which she would deserve.

Because the Eclipse awards are pretty much based on WINS - so MN runs a decent 3rd behind Zenyatta and Ginger Punch in the Ladies' Classic and that decides the Eclipse?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Because the Eclipse awards are pretty much based on WINS - so MN runs a decent 3rd behind Zenyatta and Ginger Punch in the Ladies' Classic and that decides the Eclipse?

I think that's how Farda Amiga won the Eclipse in 2002.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I think that's how Farda Amiga won the Eclipse in 2002.

Was the 2002 3 year-old filly crop as stacked as this one?

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Because the Eclipse awards are pretty much based on WINS - so MN runs a decent 3rd behind Zenyatta and Ginger Punch in the Ladies' Classic and that decides the Eclipse?

And I guess Music Note hasn't won anything of note. You just said the awards are decided on wins .......well, Proud Spell just lost to a very mediocre bunch.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Betsy

And I guess Music Note hasn't won anything of note. You just said the awards are decided on wins .......well, Proud Spell just lost to a very mediocre bunch.

She has obviously won some races of note, but Proud Spell beat her when they faced each other in a fairly run race. And Proud Spell also won the Oaks. She finished second to a pretty fast horse today. . . I'm not sure what you're arguing about since it seemed like you agreed that Proud Spell is still in the Eclipse lead as of right now. . . Whatever they do from here on will probably decide it as PS is far from a cinch.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Why would MN have to win? She's 1-1 in a head to head match up and this was a bad loss for PS in the sense that it was a pretty terrible field. MN had to be penalized for her loss to PS, so PS definitely needs to be penalized for this loss.

My post on the Cotillion thread notwithstanding, in retrospect it wasn't a complete mismatch on speed figures. Seattle Smooth absolutely crushed last out (first time for Tony Dutrow--go figure) at Delaware. In fact, her Beyer for that race was higher than Music Note's for the Gazelle. Maybe a new contender has emerged.

Proud Spell obvious has the better resume, going off of both races won and horses defeated. The thing that both fillies are missing, and that Music Note perhaps is in better position to achieve, is a win against older horses. In that respect, all either has to do really is place in the Distaff, or worst case, finish in front of the other in the race.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

My post on the Cotillion thread notwithstanding, in retrospect it wasn't a complete mismatch on speed figures. Seattle Smooth absolutely crushed last out (first time for Tony Dutrow--go figure) at Delaware. In fact, her Beyer for that race was higher than Music Note's for the Gazelle. Maybe a new contender has emerged.

Proud Spell obvious has the better resume, going off of both races won and horses defeated. The thing that both fillies are missing, and that Music Note perhaps is in better position to achieve, is a win against older horses. In that respect, all either has to do really is place in the Distaff, or worst case, finish in front of the other in the race.

Do you honestly think that Seattle Smooth would give Music Note(or Proud Spell on a day when she's on her game) a real tussle? Music Note's Gazelle was ridiculously easy - the Beyer in that race is almost completely irrelevent. I have to go back to the Cotillion thread, but I doubt that anyone thought PS was going to lose.

I can see I'm a minority of one on this one, but no big deal. I just hope you are all wrong, lol, because I would love to see MN win the award. In any case, thanks for the replies!

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Do you honestly think that Seattle Smooth would give Music Note(or Proud Spell on a day when she's on her game) a real tussle? Music Note's Gazelle was ridiculously easy - the Beyer in that race is almost completely irrelevent. I have to go back to the Cotillion thread, but I doubt that anyone thought PS was going to lose.

Have you seen Seattle Smooth's last two starts? I guarantee you the Go For Wand at Delaware was won just as easily by her as the Gazelle was by Music Note.

Also, Proud Spell may be a tired filly, but she certainly didn't fall drastically off form today.