Aussie view: A Creationist as Would-be Veep?

[Kasept]

Found this while looking at Melbourne Cup info... As vacuous as she is appalling. That this person was included on a presidential ticket is beyond comprehension. A sad comment on America's political landscape.

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Creationist Sarah and the politics of extinction

Even scarier than the Republican vice-presidential nominee's ignorance of science is that many Americans agree that Earth began just a moment ago in time. Rick Feneley reports...

Sarah Palin believes in fossil fuels but not necessarily in fossils. This is no trivial matter. Of all the intense scrutiny Palin has faced in this campaign - not least on the matter of her wardrobe - nobody in America seemed much interested in asking her the dinosaur question.

That is: do you believe, or have you ever believed, that the world was created in the past 5000 or 10,000 years and that dinosaurs roamed the planet alongside humans?

Palin's political extinction may be only days away but somebody really should have asked this question of the woman who has advocated the discussion of creationism in the classroom; the woman who might have been a heartbeat from the presidency; the woman whom John McCain described as being among the "foremost experts in this nation on energy issues".

During the 2006 gubernatorial debate in Alaska, Palin suggested schools could teach creationism as well as evolution. "Teach both," she said. "You know, don't be afraid of education. Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

READ THE FULL PIECE: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/...e#contentSwap1

[Antitrust32]

There are a lot of smart/great people who thoroughly (sp?) believe the Bible & everything in it. Its a hard subject to debate with someone when faith and belief are involved.

Personally, I just can not.. no matter how I think about it or try to have faith, can not believe that Adam and Eve started this whole thing or that Noah's Ark happened.. or... countless stories that I could pull out of the Bible.

I respect people who have faith and believe in the bible... I mean it has to take a lot of faith to believe some of those things.

But to IGNORE SCIENCE (which is supposed to be a major school topic) and teach this creation theory in schools is just

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

There are a lot of smart/great people who thoroughly (sp?) believe the Bible & everything in it. Its a hard subject to debate with someone when faith and belief are involved.

Personally, I just can not.. no matter how I think about it or try to have faith, can not believe that Adam and Eve started this whole thing or that Noah's Ark happened.. or... countless stories that I could pull out of the Bible.

I respect people who have faith and believe in the bible... I mean it has to take a lot of faith to believe some of those things.

But to IGNORE SCIENCE (which is supposed to be a major school topic) and teach this creation theory in schools is just

it shouldn't be.

someone's deep belief in a fairy tale doesn't end the discussion. rational people need to stop walking away from the topic. many christians have no problem understanding that a parable can carry morale truth without being factual. you can believe in god and still know the books of the new testament were written decades to centuries after the historical jesus died and chosen for inclusion by people with a political agenda for a strong centralized church.

the books of the old testament are no different. anyone who believes god stopped the midday sun in the sky (written at a time when people thought earth was the center of the universe) don't understand celestial mechanics.

treat creationists with the same respect you would someone who insists they've been kidnapped by aliens and want to teach your kids about that at school.

[Mortimer]

Grade jub,Hi.


Fine work...really.

Proof there is no god...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFmK9tD-Ckg

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

it shouldn't be.

someone's deep belief in a fairy tale doesn't end the discussion. rational people need to stop walking away from the topic. many christians have no problem understanding that a parable can carry morale truth without being factual. you can believe in god and still know the books of the new testament were written decades to centuries after the historical jesus died and chosen for inclusion by people with a political agenda for a strong centralized church.

the books of the old testament are no different. anyone who believes god stopped the midday sun in the sky (written at a time when people thought earth was the center of the universe) don't understand celestial mechanics.

treat creationists with the same respect you would someone who insists they've been kidnapped by aliens and want to teach your kids about that at school.

I 100% agree with this, and I def do debate with my Christian friends (ask Cajun - her and I talk about it all the time). But there are so many of them that think the Bible is Non-Fiction and believe every word in there. I dont get it but no matter what I say, they still have their faith (which is respectable). Shoot a few people I work with believe God is responsible for everything and some how God will make McCain win. I told them - "I'm not sure God is a registered voter" - I also said "How do you know God doesnt want Obama"

Its an honorable thing to have faith IMO... but no way that stuff belongs in classrooms! If you want to learn about it in school - go to a private Catholic or Christian school.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I 100% agree with this, and I def do debate with my Christian friends (ask Cajun - her and I talk about it all the time). But there are so many of them that think the Bible is Non-Fiction and believe every word in there. I dont get it but no matter what I say, they still have their faith (which is respectable). Shoot a few people I work with believe God is responsible for everything and some how God will make McCain win. I told them - "I'm not sure God is a registered voter" - I also said "How do you know God doesnt want Obama"

Its an honorable thing to have faith IMO... but no way that stuff belongs in classrooms! If you want to learn about it in school - go to a private Catholic or Christian school.

That was pretty swell as well.

I liked it..although you will never know what I am.





I do believe Adam and Eve is a metaphor for Steve and Thebby.

[Antitrust32]

Behooviepied.


I do know what you are though.

[ateamstupid]

Lori, you are on a roll homie!

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

I do believe Adam and Eve is a metaphor for Steve and Thebby.

Fine work Maestro!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

it shouldn't be.

someone's deep belief in a fairy tale doesn't end the discussion. rational people need to stop walking away from the topic. many christians have no problem understanding that a parable can carry morale truth without being factual. you can believe in god and still know the books of the new testament were written decades to centuries after the historical jesus died and chosen for inclusion by people with a political agenda for a strong centralized church.

the books of the old testament are no different. anyone who believes god stopped the midday sun in the sky (written at a time when people thought earth was the center of the universe) don't understand celestial mechanics.

treat creationists with the same respect you would someone who insists they've been kidnapped by aliens and want to teach your kids about that at school.

i loved this post god. so glad to know i'm not alone. matter of fact, i think a lot of people doubt far more than they let on--it's the better dead than different, follow the pack mentality. not sure how often i've heard ' play it safe, and believe'-so they're generally faking it as well.

[Mortimer]

On the other hand...let's not bag people who have strong faith, either, such as the can do no wrong Dumars has the season.




Maybe what you really believe is what comes to pass.

How would we know?




Could you see yourself standing there pointing out airplanes to a homo erectus and then explaining to him how this radar set makes it all so easy?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Could you see yourself standing there pointing out airplanes to a homo erectus and then explaining to him how this radar set makes it all so easy?

Something similar really happened:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16fvTonR_gA

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

On the other hand...let's not bag people who have strong faith, either, such as the can do no wrong Dumars has the season.




Maybe what you really believe is what comes to pass.

How would we know?

Could you see yourself standing there pointing out airplanes to a homo erectus and then explaining to him how this radar set makes it all so easy?

OH baby, I could write a book about this, and spend a lot of time thinking about it.

I think I'm agnostic. I mean... when you look in the skies and see a million stars, or look around at beautiful mountains or oceans...

I mean if for some reason night did not come to the earth, and we never saw the stars.... they would still be there right?? But if you told someone - "look at the sky... there are millions of "suns" out there that have planets revolving around them and they are called solar systems. Most solar systems are even larger than ours"

Ya know that person would be like Yeah right!!! Cause they cant see it.

Same with God... I mean if we can have the earth and the sky and the stars, why cant there be a "God" too... Just cause we cant see God doesnt mean he's not there.

But I just cant go along with organized religion... I feel its more about Greed and Power than "God".

And the Bible, well, its a wonderful book to base how you live your life, and it teaches good morals (eventhough some are outdated). But I just dont see myself ever taking the Bible for more than that. Its hard to dispute FACT, like dinosaurs & there fossils...

And i have NO idea of an afterlife... Sure I would love there to be one, but most of me thinks that when we pass our energy is just decomposed into the earth.


There's my 2 cents on God for ya Morty.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

There are a lot of smart/great people who thoroughly (sp?) believe the Bible & everything in it. Its a hard subject to debate with someone when faith and belief are involved.

Personally, I just can not.. no matter how I think about it or try to have faith, can not believe that Adam and Eve started this whole thing or that Noah's Ark happened.. or... countless stories that I could pull out of the Bible.

I respect people who have faith and believe in the bible... I mean it has to take a lot of faith to believe some of those things.

But to IGNORE SCIENCE (which is supposed to be a major school topic) and teach this creation theory in schools is just

i got into a theological discussion with a former coworker. it was, in a word, hilarious.
she ended with telling me i was hard hearted, as she could no longer attack my points-so she had to resort to attacking me. it was a great day at work that day.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Found this while looking at Melbourne Cup info... As vacuous as she is appalling. That this person was included on a presidential ticket is beyond comprehension. A sad comment on America's political landscape.

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Creationist Sarah and the politics of extinction

Even scarier than the Republican vice-presidential nominee's ignorance of science is that many Americans agree that Earth began just a moment ago in time. Rick Feneley reports...

Sarah Palin believes in fossil fuels but not necessarily in fossils. This is no trivial matter. Of all the intense scrutiny Palin has faced in this campaign - not least on the matter of her wardrobe - nobody in America seemed much interested in asking her the dinosaur question.

That is: do you believe, or have you ever believed, that the world was created in the past 5000 or 10,000 years and that dinosaurs roamed the planet alongside humans?

Palin's political extinction may be only days away but somebody really should have asked this question of the woman who has advocated the discussion of creationism in the classroom; the woman who might have been a heartbeat from the presidency; the woman whom John McCain described as being among the "foremost experts in this nation on energy issues".

During the 2006 gubernatorial debate in Alaska, Palin suggested schools could teach creationism as well as evolution. "Teach both," she said. "You know, don't be afraid of education. Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

READ THE FULL PIECE: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/...e#contentSwap1

Sooooooo.... you voting for McCain?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by philcski

Sooooooo.... you voting for McCain?

I think Steve is writing in Walter Mondale

[philcski]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I think Steve is writing in Walter Mondale

that's alright... i wrote in a Simon/Byk ticket

[Riot]

[quote=Kasept]Found this while looking at Melbourne Cup info... As vacuous as she is appalling. That this person was included on a presidential ticket is beyond comprehension. A sad comment on America's political landscape.[/QUOTE=Kasept]

Go find Palin's interpretation of the First Amendment, even more interesting.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Found this while looking at Melbourne Cup info... As vacuous as she is appalling. That this person was included on a presidential ticket is beyond comprehension. A sad comment on America's political landscape.

Originally Posted by Riot

Go find Palin's interpretation of the First Amendment, even more interesting.

it can't be as good as her explaining what supreme court rulings she disagreed with. or maybe it can....