Mark Jackson and Van Gundy...

It is an excrutiating lesson to keep listening.
But now I know why Mark Jackson is not
an NBA coach:

Mark Jackson tried to defend Allen Iverson dribbling
all over the court (making it difficult for the rest of the offense)
by saying Nash does exactly the same thing and it works for Nash.

OMG.

Comparing Nash opening up numerous lanes for other players
to Iverson randomly looking for a jumper...

Mark Jackson has got to be kidding and joking or he is
a complete idiot that should never be allowed near
an NBA team again.

Honest to God... Cannon, if you are anywhere around
you got to inform your cousin about this one.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

It is an excrutiating lesson to keep listening.
But now I know why Mark Jackson is not
an NBA coach:

Mark Jackson tried to defend Allen Iverson dribbling
all over the court (making it difficult for the rest of the offense)
by saying Nash does exactly the same thing and it works for Nash.

OMG.

Comparing Nash opening up numerous lanes for other players
to Iverson randomly looking for a jumper...

Mark Jackson has got to be kidding and joking or he is
a complete idiot that should never be allowed near
an NBA team again.

Honest to God... Cannon, if you are anywhere around
you got to inform your cousin about this one.

If he had said that Nash has been vastly overrated I would probably agree. The funny thing is that both players are pretty much one way players though with different skill sets. I think he was trying to point out that AI and Nash are undersized players that dribble a lot. He isn't that far off.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If he had said that Nash has been vastly overrated I would probably agree. The funny thing is that both players are pretty much one way players though with different skill sets. I think he was trying to point out that AI and Nash are undersized players that dribble a lot. He isn't that far off.

omg...

the only thing they have in common is neither play defense.
One cant, and one wont.

He was trying to point out that Iverson opens up the offense for other players as well as Nash does. And that... is absolutely ridiculous.
Jackson may have just been trying to disagree with Van Gundy's assertion
that Iverson dribbles around and does not use screens properly,
no one on his team really knows what to do except watch.

One is a point the other is a 2. One sees the whole floor, the other sees
the rim. One is/was a fantastic athlete that does not understand the team game. The other is a mediocre athlete with a great feel for the team game. Have you every seen Iverson actually use his positioning to make a screen obvious and easy to set ? I see him just run past screens set for him. He completely confuses the majority of his team on offense.
So the skill sets are very different.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

omg...

the only thing they have in common is neither play defense.
One cant, and one wont.

He was trying to point out that Iverson opens up the offense for other players as well as Nash does. And that... is absolutely ridiculous.
Jackson may have just been trying to disagree with Van Gundy's assertion
that Iverson dribbles around and does not use screens properly,
no one on his team really knows what to do except watch.

One is a point the other is a 2. One sees the whole floor, the other sees
the rim. One is/was a fantastic athlete that does not understand the team game. The other is a mediocre athlete with a great feel for the team game.
So the skill sets are very different.

Allen Iverson is NEVER given any credit for what he is and does, just gets knocked for what he isn't. He is a 5' 10" 170 guy who can score 30 a game in the NBA. Name one other player in history that is like him? Nash was always overrated simply because he was white. If Iverson had played on the Suns they would have had the same playoff results as they have had with Nash and he probably would have led the league in scoring every year. He may not have any rings but he carried a team on his back to the NBA finals which is far more than Nash has ever accomplished in that respect. For a guy who is universally loved he has a dismal playoff record and has never had an allstar season when not coached by D'Antoni who has somehow made Chris Duhon into a pretty respectable NBA point guard. Nash is and never has been near the player that Chris Paul now is or Jason Kidd was yet those guys have never and probably will never win an MVP. I am not saying that Nash isnt a very good player but he gets far more respect and is thought a better player than Iverson when that absolutely is not true.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Allen Iverson is NEVER given any credit for what he is and does, just gets knocked for what he isn't. He is a 5' 10" 170 guy who can score 30 a game in the NBA. Name one other player in history that is like him? Nash was always overrated simply because he was white. If Iverson had played on the Suns they would have had the same playoff results as they have had with Nash and he probably would have led the league in scoring every year. He may not have any rings but he carried a team on his back to the NBA finals which is far more than Nash has ever accomplished in that respect. For a guy who is universally loved he has a dismal playoff record and has never had an allstar season when not coached by D'Antoni who has somehow made Chris Duhon into a pretty respectable NBA point guard. Nash is and never has been near the player that Chris Paul now is or Jason Kidd was yet those guys have never and probably will never win an MVP. I am not saying that Nash isnt a very good player but he gets far more respect and is thought a better player than Iverson when that absolutely is not true.

Iverson is one of the most competitive and the strongest player I have ever
seen for his size. LIke I said, his athleticism is crazy unique. He works his butt off every game, on offense.

Nash would have been in a championship and probably won a championship
if he did not have to play against the Spurs almost every playoff. Put the Suns in the East Iverson played in, and the Suns would be there. THE SUNS, not just Nash.

What a better player means hmmm... one on one ability, Iverson. Consistency over many years at scoring and playing the same game, Iverson. Making players on his team better, Nash. Just like Billups is doing for Denver. Agree with Jason Kidd.
But not Chris Paul. Yet... Chris Paul keeping up the same game he plays for many years, I will take him over any mentioned barring Magic Johnson.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Iverson is one of the most competitive and the strongest player I have ever
seen for his size. LIke I said, his athleticism is crazy unique. He works his butt off every game, on offense.

Nash would have been in a championship and probably won a championship
if he did not have to play against the Spurs almost every playoff. Put the Suns in the East Iverson played in, and the Suns would be there. THE SUNS, not just Nash.

What a better player means hmmm... one on one ability, Iverson. Consistency over many years at scoring and playing the same game, Iverson. Making players on his team better, Nash. Just like Billups is doing for Denver. Agree with Jason Kidd.
But not Chris Paul. Yet... Chris Paul keeping up the same game he plays for many years, I will take him over any mentioned barring Magic Johnson.

That East /West thing rings hollow, it isn't as though they havent had talent surrounding Nash.

I just have always been amazed how a wave of consenus echos through sports when talking about things like MVP and such. That wave and a few stupid stats have made Nash into a legend and he hardly deserves that company. I just think that if he was black that Nash would be thought of along the lines of a Billups (who is a good player but no one is putting him on any alltime teams). He is a guy who was in the right place at the right time in the perfect system with the right parts. Having mobile big men like Marion, Stoudamire and even Diaw has helped him immensely and he can hit an open jumper. But I dont know that he is really a better point guard than Maurice Cheeks.

Chris Paul is already a better player than Nash at Nash's peak.