2/16 (OP): Southwest S. (Gr. III)

[my miss storm cat]

9th (5:02) Southwest S. (G3)

1 Mile | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 Retap Quinonez L S 117 L
2 Loch Dubh Court J K 117 L
3 Silver City Mena M 117 L
4 Gresham Borel C H 117 L
5 Old Fashioned Dominguez R A 119 L
6 Buzzin and Dreamin Ocampo I 115 L
7 Flat Out Garcia J A 119 L
8 Professor Z Emigh C A 117 L
9 Poltergeist Hamilton Q 117 L
10 Silver Bayer Thompson T J 115 L
11 Kick On Tohill K S 119 L

[my miss storm cat]

Oh yeah... Poltergeist.

(Thought I forgot something...)

[packerbacker7964]

Old Fanshioned Will be yough to beat. My Money is on Silver City since the 1 Mile at Oaklawn is 2 turns speed holds up pretty good. Poltergeist is where the smart money is going but he was an alright winner at 1st asking here in early Jan. I just don't think he's ready for the other two just yet.

[swedejxn]

If there be an upset..... second vote for silver city.... should handle the distance and calhoun needs a derby horse.... ..... hello!!!!!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by swedejxn

If there be an upset..... second vote for silver city.... should handle the distance and calhoun needs a derby horse.... ..... hello!!!!!

Make it three....if anyone beats Old Fashioned, I think it's this guy.

[Kasept]

After the top 2, Poltergeist and Flat Out are the next of interest. (And think about how much fun this race would have ben had Square Eddie been OK to go...)

I've gotten very attached to this Flat Out for no particular reason. Strikes me as this year's model of Golden Yank with Flat Out trainer Scooter Dickey = Yank's Gary Thomas...

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Oh yeah... Poltergeist.

(Thought I forgot something...)

I don't have HRTV and so had to rely on texts for updates throughout the race.

If someone could please let me know when he crosses the finish I'd appreciate it.

Thanks in advance.

[packerbacker7964]

I think they said he'll be in the starting gate for the last race if he hurries

[DaTruth]

Two races prior to the Southwest, Oaklawn ran a $30,000 claimer for older fillies and mares at the same one mile distance as the Southwest. Old Fashioned’s winning time was 1.76 seconds faster than the final time of that claiming race, which was won by Nine M.M.. Old Fashioned ran his final furlong in 13.18 seconds. Nine M.M. ran her final furlong in 13.22 seconds. Old Fashioned was half a length off the lead with a quarter to run, and the final quarter mile in the Southwest was run in 26.37 seconds. Nine M.M. won her race going wire to wire, with the final quarter run in 26.41 seconds.

Granted, it was Old Fashioned's first start in almost three months, and he chased a fast opening half, but I expected the top dog on the Derby road to finish much faster than a Delta mare.

[Bobby Fischer]

Obviously being a part of a legit pace will take its toll.
47 seconds is nothing like 45 seconds. Totally different world.

However, I agree that it wasn't a champion type of finish. Times was mediocre. He hasn't shown that he's best yet. THey all still have a lot to prove.

[pick4]

Here are the charts for the races at Oaklawn on Monday 2/16.

http://www.drf.com/drfChartIndexPick...&DATE=20090216

[ateamstupid]

Aside from the mysterious sixth race that completely fell apart, no horse came from further than 2 1/4 lengths back to win all day. Three horses went wire-to-wire, and another three were never further than a length behind.

[blackthroatedwind]

If you like Old Fashioned you better hope he's a lot better than he was today.

He probably is......but the real question is how much better.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Aside from the mysterious sixth race that completely fell apart, no horse came from further than 2 1/4 lengths back to win all day. Three horses went wire-to-wire, and another three were never further than a length behind.

flat out was closing late-what do you feel about his run based on how the track had been playing?
also, how possible is it to tinker with a track to benefit a horses running style-in this case, old fashioned?
it would certainly help oaklawns cause to have him win, and win big, wouldn't it?
and i'm not accusing anyone of anything untoward, i'm asking if it's possible?

[Merlinsky]

http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/article/49261.htm

Some guy that they quote...Steve Byk, whoever that is ...pointed out the matching half miles for Old Fashioned and Smarty Jones. Smarty got it done later in the Derby obviously. Doesn't mean O.F. will but is it better to compare him to a claiming mare or to a past Derby prepper/winner? I get that they ran on the same day but we gotta put this thing in context of a bigger plan.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/article/49261.htm

Some guy that they quote...Steve Byk, whoever that is ...pointed out the matching half miles for Old Fashioned and Smarty Jones. Smarty got it done later in the Derby obviously. Doesn't mean O.F. will but is it better to compare him to a claiming mare or to a past Derby prepper/winner? I get that they ran on the same day but we gotta put this thing in context of a bigger plan.

What? So it's "better" to compare two times from five years apart than it is to compare times on the same day?

[XIIPointStables]

Did the Beyer come back from Old Fashion yet?

[justindew]

Originally Posted by XIIPointStables

Did the Beyer come back from Old Fashion yet?

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