Giant Oak wins the Derby..

GBBob · #1 02-21-2009, 07:13 PM

In the spirit of threads past, and promising not to Casino Drive this horse to oblivion, I'm going out on a limb..

Distance is not an issue and is cool with the track.
Prado and horse did everything possibly wrong last race.
Horse has not had a fair trip since AP '08.
Chris Block will get it done

Cannon Shell · #2 02-21-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

In the spirit of threads past, and promising not to Casino Drive this horse to oblivion, I'm going out on a limb..

Distance is not an issue and is cool with the track.
Prado and horse did everything possibly wrong last race.
Horse has not had a fair trip since AP '08.
Chris Block will get it done

Go to sleep

GBBob · #3 02-21-2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Go to sleep

I did...it's morning...sort of..

the_fat_man · #4 02-21-2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

Prado and horse did everything possibly wrong last race.

Chris Block will get it done

The horse didn't do anything wrong.

And, it probably has the highest IQ of the three.

Block being at the low end, of course; only a ****** would put another ****** on his Derby horse. Oh wait, it follows that the owner is lower in the intelligence chain than even Block.

I can't wait to see what they do to this horse next time out.

letswastemoney · #5 02-21-2009, 07:27 PM

the next Dollar Bill....

Sightseek · #6 02-21-2009, 07:39 PM

which Derby...WV, VA, OH

Scurlogue Champ · #7 02-21-2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

which Derby...WV, VA, OH

PA

2 Dollar Bill · #8 02-23-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

the next Dollar Bill....

Did someone call me ?

Lastkidpickedingymclass · #9 02-21-2009, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

In the spirit of threads past, and promising not to Casino Drive this horse to oblivion, I'm going out on a limb..

Distance is not an issue and is cool with the track.
Prado and horse did everything possibly wrong last race.
Horse has not had a fair trip since AP '08.
Chris Block will get it done

I like the horse, and was pulling for him in his last, but what would make him more likely to have a fair trip in a 20 horse Derby field ?

dellinger63 · #10 02-21-2009, 09:01 PM

Prado messed him up twice. Go back and watch his lawn race. Keep him back, go wide if necessary and let him stretch. He may be perfect Belmont dist. Secretariat at Arl being a backup and maybe a cinch.

Scurlogue Champ · #11 02-21-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63

Prado messed him up twice. Go back and watch his lawn race. Keep him back, go wide if necessary and let him stretch. He may be perfect Belmont dist. Secretariat at Arl being a backup and maybe a cinch.

You might want to wait and see what 3yo's ship over from Europe before declaring the Secretariat to be a backup or a cinch.

Those Grade One grass races with Dermot Weld and Aidan O'Brien runners usually don't come up too easy for an Illinois-bred, Team Block or not.

dellinger63 · #12 02-21-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Scurlogue Champ

You might want to wait and see what 3yo's ship over from Europe before declaring the Secretariat to be a backup or a cinch.

Those Grade One grass races with Dermot Weld and Aidan O'Brien runners usually don't come up too easy for an Illinois-bred, Team Block or not.

We're talking Secretariat not Million

Scurlogue Champ · #13 02-21-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63

We're talking Secretariat not Million

I'm aware, look at the top two finishers from last year.

Scav · #14 02-22-2009, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Scurlogue Champ

You might want to wait and see what 3yo's ship over from Europe before declaring the Secretariat to be a backup or a cinch.

Those Grade One grass races with Dermot Weld and Aidan O'Brien runners usually don't come up too easy for an Illinois-bred, Team Block or not.

I think you are greatly overestimated the Euros in last years race and overestimated the talent of the field. Weld and O'Brien do not send 'nut' horses for that race. Winchester was 'ok' and just beat a very bad bunch. Nothing has come out of that race and Winchester didn't do anything afterwards (I know it was only a couple races)

I know it is hard to estimate but if you put a 3 year old Giant Oak in that race against Winchester last year, Giant Oak would dust that horse.

Scurlogue Champ · #15 02-22-2009, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

I think you are greatly overestimated the Euros in last years race and overestimated the talent of the field. Weld and O'Brien do not send 'nut' horses for that race. Winchester was 'ok' and just beat a very bad bunch. Nothing has come out of that race and Winchester didn't do anything afterwards (I know it was only a couple races)

I know it is hard to estimate but if you put a 3 year old Giant Oak in that race against Winchester last year, Giant Oak would dust that horse.

That is terribly hard to estimate, not to mention ludicrous.

What is your basis for this statement? Name one Secretariat winner since 2000 that Giant Oak could realistically run with based on his maiden victory and eighth place finish in the Bourbon at Keeneland. Is it just speculation of how good he could be?

Arlington Park based horses and Chicago horses in general are subpar.

The facility is really nice, and there are a lot of flowers and people picking up trash, but the purses and quality of runner leaves something to be desired.

Blackberry Road II Electric Boogaloo.

The Devil · #16 03-01-2009, 07:51 PM

letswastemoney · #17 02-21-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63

Prado messed him up twice. Go back and watch his lawn race. Keep him back, go wide if necessary and let him stretch. He may be perfect Belmont dist. Secretariat at Arl being a backup and maybe a cinch.

Usually speed horses win the Belmont