Dunkirk -- 2 Questions

[munster705]

1. Will he get to run in the Derby?

2. Will he be 10-1 or more if he does run?

[Danzig]

ok, i'll ask.

why does everyone care so much about whether this overrated horse gets in the derby? if he was so good, he'd have won the fla derby and no one would have to ask if he could get in. oh, wait...i forgot, it's because of how the track was that day that he lost.

[munster705]

Dunkirk ran huge in the Floriday Derby in my opinion. Pletcher was pissed how the track came up that day before the race even went off and I'm sure he knows more about his horse than you, me or anyone else here. I think he is a young horse (race wise) and is just going to get better. He is my horse for the Derby if he runs. Just one man's opinion

[Danzig]

pletcher knew beforehand? well, then why didn't he scratch if he knew the track wasn't conducive to his horses running style? he knew the horse pretty much had to win to get in the field-or get damned lucky. he blasted the track because he lost, and he sure didn't want to get blamed-and it can't be the horse....

good luck with your derby horse.

[munster705]

If you watched the coverage, they interviewed Pletcher before the race went off. I don't think he knew how the track was going to come up beforehand. Speed horses fared really well that day all day long. What do you think he will go off at on Derby day?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by munster705

If you watched the coverage, they interviewed Pletcher before the race went off. I don't think he knew how the track was going to come up beforehand. Speed horses fared really well that day all day long. What do you think he will go off at on Derby day?

oh, i thought when you wrote 'Pletcher was pissed how the track came up that day before the race even went off' that he knew beforehand.

i don't think it matters. pletcher blaming that surface and the super is as meaningful as jones blaming his jock. and if dunkirk couldn't handle a sped up surface in fla, i doubt he handles one in ky.
as for what he goes off at, i really couldn't say. shorter odds than he should i'd imagine.

as for pletcher knowing his horses, that's a whole other topic of discussion.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by munster705

If you watched the coverage, they interviewed Pletcher before the race went off. I don't think he knew how the track was going to come up beforehand. Speed horses fared really well that day all day long. What do you think he will go off at on Derby day?

then Pletcher should have made a late scratch if he felt that strongly.
He could have ran 2nd in the Wood.

I think you will get at least 10-1

btw

did you notice how spent DoneKirk was after the race?

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by munster705

If you watched the coverage, they interviewed Pletcher before the race went off. I don't think he knew how the track was going to come up beforehand. Speed horses fared really well that day all day long. What do you think he will go off at on Derby day?

I'd say 9:1 but with the media hype that's coming maybe 6:1. Just guessing. I think the fave might be 5:1.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by munster705

If you watched the coverage, they interviewed Pletcher before the race went off. I don't think he knew how the track was going to come up beforehand. Speed horses fared really well that day all day long. What do you think he will go off at on Derby day?

Then Pletcher should find a new line of work.

Dunkirk is going to absolutely get in the Derby.

Figure he'll be about 8-1.

[PPerfectfan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

pletcher knew beforehand? well, then why didn't he scratch if he knew the track wasn't conducive to his horses running style? he knew the horse pretty much had to win to get in the field-or get damned lucky. he blasted the track because he lost, and he sure didn't want to get blamed-and it can't be the horse....

good luck with your derby horse.

Umm thats what I keep thinking but I look at it this way, he will be this years "wiseguy" horse and take tons of money and finish mid pack and inflate the odds of horses I like!!

[mclem0822]

Originally Posted by munster705

Dunkirk ran huge in the Floriday Derby in my opinion. Pletcher was pissed how the track came up that day before the race even went off and I'm sure he knows more about his horse than you, me or anyone else here. I think he is a young horse (race wise) and is just going to get better. He is my horse for the Derby if he runs. Just one man's opinion

He did run huge, he just couldn't sustain after making such a big run to get up to QR, but that does not IMO make him overrated.

[SOREHOOF]

I can't believe Gulfstream was STILL playing fast after 3 months of....playing fast!

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

I can't believe Gulfstream was STILL playing fast after 3 months of....playing fast!

what are you saying? that tracks played fast for as long as i've been betting it. which is about 20 years now. wow, pletcher must of been stunned a couple weeks ago....lol

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm not chomping at the bit to bet a horse making his 4th start in the Derby, and a smallish horse at that.

Is he smallish?

I keep hearing things about his appearance that don't sound consistant with the fact that he was the nations highest priced yearling sold at public auction last year.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Is he smallish?

I keep hearing things about his appearance that don't sound consistant with the fact that he was the nations highest priced yearling sold at public auction last year.

i don't think he's small...he does seem somewhat slightly built tho. i wonder tho how many yearlings don't fulfill their early promise?

[Payson Dave]

iirc, Wasn't Real Quiet slightly built also?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

iirc, Wasn't Real Quiet slightly built also?

Yes.

And he was sold for just 17K as a yearling.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Is he smallish?

I keep hearing things about his appearance that don't sound consistant with the fact that he was the nations highest priced yearling sold at public auction last year.

Don't you think his price had a lot to do with his pedigree?

Objectivity went for over $6M and Dunkirk went through the ring early enough in Secret Status' broodmare career that no one knew she wasn't getting good runners before Dunkirk.

[Danzig]

i just don't see that the ability of an owner to pay obscene amounts of money in any equates to the purchase having tremendous ability two years after the auction.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Don't you think his price had a lot to do with his pedigree?

Pedigree obviously had a lot to do with it ... but I would think the nations highest priced yearling would have to look great.

That same year Zensational sold for just $20K as a yearling - and he's by UBS (Dunkirk's sire) out of a multiple stakes winning mare from a great Claibourne family.