Jon v Andy

[Rootdog1]

Since there have been lots of comments regarding Jon I wanted to say something. I am sure I am in the minority here, but I applaud both Jon and Andy for taking a STRONG position on POTN in a public forum like ATR/etc. It is easy to sit faceless and nameless on a board and tout, but they both took a stance and both had reasonable assumptions to support it. They know that bozos like me are going to have smart a$$ comments after the race for one of them, and I appreciate their passion and courage. I am sure neither care what I think, but still felt compelled to say it. Finally, I am still not sure what to do with POTN but I am leaning towards Andy's view (and you all know I am a Cali homer).

[mclem0822]

Originally Posted by Rootdog1

Since there have been lots of comments regarding Jon I wanted to say something. I am sure I am in the minority here, but I applaud both Jon and Andy for taking a STRONG position on POTN in a public forum like ATR/etc. It is easy to sit faceless and nameless on a board and tout, but they both took a stance and both had reasonable assumptions to support it. They know that bozos like me are going to have smart a$$ comments after the race for one of them, and I appreciate their passion and courage. I am sure neither care what I think, but still felt compelled to say it. Finally, I am still not sure what to do with POTN but I am leaning towards Andy's view (and you all know I am a Cali homer).

I admire the passion on either side of the argument no doubt about it.

[robfla]

Originally Posted by mclem0822

I admire the passion on either side of the argument no doubt about it.

agreed, but Jon's is a LITTLE over the top by predicting a TC winner.

Then again, it is a lot easier to tout against a horse than to tout pro-horse as 19 horses will lose the Derby.

[mclem0822]

Originally Posted by robfla

agreed, but Jon's is a LITTLE over the top by predicting a TC winner.
Then again, it is a lot easier to tout against a horse than to tout pro-horse as 19 horses will lose the Derby.

Well, at least in saying that he says "could see a TC winner" not flat out says the horse will win the TC. In any case I admire the guy for staying committed with his strong opinion, even though it certainly does get a bit annoying to hear him ramble on about POTN for minutes on end.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by robfla

agreed, but Jon's is a LITTLE over the top by predicting a TC winner.

Then again, it is a lot easier to tout against a horse than to tout pro-horse as 19 horses will lose the Derby.

In all honesty both should be commended; however let's be honest it's alot tougher position to be bullish about touting a winner than saying you are against one horse, regardless of the reasons. I think White is taking some over the top ribbing here. I respect a guy that is a public handicapper and is so vocal in his beliefs. The odds are against the guy and that makes it even more surprising he has put himself out there, but good on him for doing so. It's the one's that hedge that I have little time for.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by Rootdog1

Since there have been lots of comments regarding Jon I wanted to say something. I am sure I am in the minority here, but I applaud both Jon and Andy for taking a STRONG position on POTN in a public forum like ATR/etc. It is easy to sit faceless and nameless on a board and tout, but they both took a stance and both had reasonable assumptions to support it. They know that bozos like me are going to have smart a$$ comments after the race for one of them, and I appreciate their passion and courage. I am sure neither care what I think, but still felt compelled to say it. Finally, I am still not sure what to do with POTN but I am leaning towards Andy's view (and you all know I am a Cali homer).

Very informative, for all of us that didnt catch the show why dont you clue us in on their positions.

[robfla]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Very informative, for all of us that didnt catch the show why dont you clue us in on their positions.

http://www.thoroughbredracingradione...ents&Itemid=35

[jms62]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Very informative, for all of us that didnt catch the show why dont you clue us in on their positions.

Quick Summary (In my own words)

John:

POTN Triple Triple Crown Potential
Will be better on dirt

Andy: (cough, cough)
No shot and won't hit the board, anyone who thinks other is nuts
Alluded that there is a reason he started off on Turf as opposed to dirt.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by jms62

Quick Summary (In my own words)

John:

POTN Triple Triple Crown Potential
Will be better on dirt

Andy: (cough, cough)
No shot and won't hit the board, anyone who thinks other is nuts
Alluded that there is a reason he started off on Turf as opposed to dirt.

Thanks, Im listening to Johns dribble right now. How can you compare POTN to Point Given just because they raced in the same stakes. Does he not realize that they were two different surfaces and you need different running styles. And this polyrat will win the Triple Crown? I agree with Andy 150% POTN WILL NOT HIT THE BOARD! Save your money people the horse has no shot.

Will this idiot go into hiding after the derby? Lets hope.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Thanks, Im listening to Johns dribble right now. How can you compare POTN to Point Given just because they raced in the same stakes. Does he not realize that they were two different surfaces and you need different running styles. And this polyrat will win the Triple Crown? I agree with Andy 150% POTN WILL NOT HIT THE BOARD! Save your money people the horse has no shot.

Will this idiot go into hiding after the derby? Lets hope.

He is far from an idiot. He simply has a strong opinion on the horse that he is going to back... It is the nature of the game we play. We think our opinion is the only one that is correct and all others are morons. We are putting money on it.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by jms62

He is far from an idiot. He simply has a strong opinion on the horse that he is going to back... It is the nature of the game we play. We think our opinion is the only one that is correct and all others are morons. We are putting money on it.

Hes an IDIOT

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

wile he is no idiot j.w has beaten this drum to death..andy is looking at realitys on the handicapping side.its a whole lot to ask for this horse to make the switch in surface and beat some others in here who could be better suited.

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Thanks, Im listening to Johns dribble right now. How can you compare POTN to Point Given just because they raced in the same stakes. Does he not realize that they were two different surfaces and you need different running styles. And this polyrat will win the Triple Crown? I agree with Andy 150% POTN WILL NOT HIT THE BOARD! Save your money people the horse has no shot.

Will this idiot go into hiding after the derby? Lets hope.

I can't believe you call Jon White an idiot, that tells me you know less than zero. This man is devoted,avid and professional about his job in racing and always trys to get the best info he can all year, not just on his derby pick. He is one of the best ambassadors racing has to offer. BY the way who is your pick for the derby ?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

I can't believe you call Jon White an idiot, that tells me you know less than zero. This man is devoted,avid and professional about his job in racing and always trys to get the best info he can all year, not just on his derby pick. He is one of the best ambassadors racing has to offer. BY the way who is your pick for the derby ?

Picking a colt to win the triple crown who hasn't raced on dirt is bizarre,perhaps idiotic? I am sure he isnt an idiot, the opinion is without merit, he might have a ton..

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

I can't believe you call Jon White an idiot, that tells me you know less than zero. This man is devoted,avid and professional about his job in racing and always trys to get the best info he can all year, not just on his derby pick. He is one of the best ambassadors racing has to offer. BY the way who is your pick for the derby ?

Stan, the guy is the biggest douchebag that's ever showed up here. In fact the only person I've ever put on ignore because he adds absolutely nothing pertinent to any discussion.

Seriously, don't waste your breath/keystrokes responding to him

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

I can't believe you call Jon White an idiot, that tells me you know less than zero. This man is devoted,avid and professional about his job in racing and always trys to get the best info he can all year, not just on his derby pick. He is one of the best ambassadors racing has to offer. BY the way who is your pick for the derby ?

Lets recap, did i call him non devoted, unprofessional, or any of that nonsense or did I say he is idiotic for going around saying that this horse will win the KD and go on to win the TC and become the greatest horse of all time. I really dont know where the blind devotion is coming from he has with this horse.

And if you havent notice ive started several threads about Musket Man and have made it very clear that I will be putting money on the horse. And if im going to pick a horse that "figures" to go with him it would have to be Fresian Fire.

And I will take all bets that Musket Man beats POTN. YOU CAN MARK MY WORDS ON THAT ONE

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by jms62

Quick Summary (In my own words)

John:

POTN Triple POTN POTN Triple Crown POTN Potential POTN
Will POTN be OMG1!!11!! POTN better on dirt.

...

POTN

Andy: (cough, cough)
No shot and won't hit the board, anyone who thinks other is nuts
Alluded that there is a reason he started off on Turf as opposed to dirt.

I haven't listened, but from what I've gathered reading here, I think I FTFY.