Cap and Trade vote on Friday

[joeydb]

Whatever you guys do, call your congressman at 202-224-3121 and tell them to vote AGAINST this bill.

Many of you already know what this is, so I'll keep this brief. The bill creates an artificial market with "carbon credits", the effect of which is to reward countries that don't produce any carbon dioxide, you know -- the naturally occurring gas that we breathe out and plants breathe in so they can make the oxygen we need. Our carbon dioxide is "capped" from cars, factories -- they can't stop us from exhaling yet, and we "buy carbon credits" from countries that produce nothing, so some third world countries will get big checks paid for from the increased energy bills that all of us in the United States will pay.

In addition, whether you believe in "Global Warming" or not, this will not help to reduce the worldwide output of CO2 since it is the Chinese who are putting up a new smokestack-type of power plant every 2 weeks. But it will cripple our economy unnecessarily since it is the power companies and us that will be punished. It is us who will not be able to afford to run our air conditioners or heat, for no reason but the errant thoughts of undereducated do-gooder liberals Congress.

By the way, as I write this, we in the Northeast are having one of the coolest starts to summer in recent memory, and last year was one where there was not one 100 degree day. Any of you guys ever see something that is heated and spontaneously cools on its own, just to reheat again at record levels? No, because such things don't happen in the physical universe -- the phenomenon does not exist.

I enjoy political discussions here and I do respect others who feel differently on the conservative versus liberal points of view. But this bill is that important to stop because the freedoms and lifestyle we all enjoy require access to affordable energy, and I think it's a cause we all share an interest in.

[Cannon Shell]

It wont pass the senate and if by some miracle it does it will be another "victory" for the Obama administration that will be detrimental to his party.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124597505076157449.html

Originally Posted by joeydb

In addition, 1. whether you believe in "Global Warming" or not,
By the way, as I write this, 2. we in the Northeast are having one of the
coolest starts to summer in recent memoryand last year was one where there was not one 100 degree day. 3. Any of you guys ever see something that is heated and spontaneously cools on its own, just to reheat again at record levels? 4. No, because such things don't happen in the physical universe -- the phenomenon does not exist.

I bolded some stuff to above to reply to the post.

But I got blinded with psuedoscience.

OMG.
I humbly submit a question to the board:
Is this how the general public (Joe the Plumber)
thinks and believes?
Im serious.
This is scary.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I bolded some stuff to above to reply to the post.

But I got blinded with psuedoscience.

OMG.
I humbly submit a question to the board:
Is this how the general public (Joe the Plumber)
thinks and believes?
Im serious.
This is scary.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124597505076157449.html

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124597505076157449.html

Okay.
I read it again.

Nothing I read in the article refutes anything
I have read before. Or what I was planning to refute.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Okay.
I read it again.

Nothing I read in the article refutes anything
I have read before. Or what I was planning to refute.

That global warming is a bs theory? Seems like there a lot of evidence that refutes it and people that are certainly qualified that are making these points. The fact remains that we wont know who is right or wrong for a long time but we do know that as Chinese dont seem to give a damn so whatever we do is largely meaningless anyway.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That global warming is a bs theory? Seems like there a lot of evidence that refutes it and people that are certainly qualified that are making these points. The fact remains that we wont know who is right or wrong for a long time but we do know that as Chinese dont seem to give a damn so whatever we do is largely meaningless anyway.

Global warming is occurring.
There is no BS.
Global temps have increased for the last 50 years and most likely more.
Scientist who believe otherwise are not looking at
all the numbers based on what I have read.

No actually most evidence says that the temp increases have been
much more rapid than in the past unless you do some number fixing.

AGAIN.
The real question are human beings causing this.
And THIS is the real question that is not clear... to me anyways.

I will also state there is no direct link between cigarrettes and lung
cancer. But the numbers show a close correlation. We have no direct
evidence that any organic products from cigarette smoke has
caused a mutation or altered a person's lung cell DNA so that it undergoes
uncontrolled growth that kills the person.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124597505076157449.html

OK..I'll bite..why is everything you disagree with the "Liberal Media" and everything you agree with the Washington Times, FOX News or The WSJ..obviously not media at all...I guess

[Danzig]

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2...6-31282991_ITM



i can't help but wonder, after living thru warnings of impending doom from a soon to occur ice age, and now dealing with catastrophic warming, if these aren't just futile exercises of man attempting to control things that are really beyond his control?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2...6-31282991_ITM



i can't help but wonder, after living thru warnings of impending doom from a soon to occur ice age, and now dealing with catastrophic warming, if these aren't just futile exercises of man attempting to control things that are really beyond his control?

Control..no? But if Joey, Timmi, Cannon or others really believe Global Warming is a huge hoax...a "Cottage Industry"..than there is no conversation.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2...6-31282991_ITM



i can't help but wonder, after living thru warnings of impending doom from a soon to occur ice age, and now dealing with catastrophic warming, if these aren't just futile exercises of man attempting to control things that are really beyond his control?

.....or attempting to control others!

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2...6-31282991_ITM



i can't help but wonder, after living thru warnings of impending doom from a soon to occur ice age, and now dealing with catastrophic warming, if these aren't just futile exercises of man attempting to control things that are really beyond his control?

We successful controlled acid rain. The US and other countries made laws requiring that the emissions of sulphur dioxide be lowered and solved a much smaller problem.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

OK..I'll bite..why is everything you disagree with the "Liberal Media" and everything you agree with the Washington Times, FOX News or The WSJ..obviously not media at all...I guess

Were any of the experts at climate change or people in that field that were mentioned in the article on the staffs of any of these organizations? Or were they merely stating that their professional opinion was that the global warming theory was not only misguided but politicalized which has led to misinformation that the liberal media refuses to recognize? The liberal media has long championed the "environmental" lobby and global warming is the centerpiece of that effort. They will have a lot of egg on their faces if the entire global warming theory turns out to be wrong. And nothing kills a liberal elitist media member like being wrong about an issue it has pursued so strongly for so long. I don't know if global warming is man made or even still occurring. Sounds like a lot of scientists don't either. It would be nice if global warming was referred to in this manner as more data is collected and dissected(either way) opposed to the absolute that it seemingly always is.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I bolded some stuff to above to reply to the post.

But I got blinded with psuedoscience.

OMG.
I humbly submit a question to the board:
Is this how the general public (Joe the Plumber)
thinks and believes?
Im serious.
This is scary.

Which part do you disagree with? If the world (or any other object, no matter how massive) was getting progressively hotter, would there be summers or seasons where the average temp around the world was lower? The answer is no -- it would have to keep progressing to higher and higher temperatures to support the theory. I don't believe you are justified in putting somebody down because they don't blindly accept your unproven belief.

Originally Posted by joeydb

Which part do you disagree with? If the world (or any other object, no matter how massive) was getting progressively hotter, would there be summers or seasons where the average temp around the world was lower? The answer is no -- it would have to keep progressing to higher and higher temperatures to support the theory. I don't believe you are justified in putting somebody down because they don't blindly accept your unproven belief.

Post #18.

The answer is yes.
And if it did not happen we would expect someone
is faking data or that we really dont know what the
crud is going on.

Sorry I was/am being overbearing.

There are posters on the board that never ever question
why they believe a certain way and why they are inclined
to knee jerk in a very predictable way on any issue.
I do not believe I am one of those posters. Others
may disagree. Some people actually have a desire
to know the truth, not what they want the truth to be.

If you have any articles from one of the many climate/meterology
journals that use forms that contain abstracts, please post as we
could all then read the findings and find out about the people who
actually care about being accurate.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Whatever you guys do, call your congressman at 202-224-3121 and tell them to vote AGAINST this bill.

Many of you already know what this is, so I'll keep this brief. The bill creates an artificial market with "carbon credits", the effect of which is to reward countries that don't produce any carbon dioxide, you know -- the naturally occurring gas that we breathe out and plants breathe in so they can make the oxygen we need. Our carbon dioxide is "capped" from cars, factories -- they can't stop us from exhaling yet, and we "buy carbon credits" from countries that produce nothing, so some third world countries will get big checks paid for from the increased energy bills that all of us in the United States will pay.

In addition, whether you believe in "Global Warming" or not, this will not help to reduce the worldwide output of CO2 since it is the Chinese who are putting up a new smokestack-type of power plant every 2 weeks. But it will cripple our economy unnecessarily since it is the power companies and us that will be punished. It is us who will not be able to afford to run our air conditioners or heat, for no reason but the errant thoughts of undereducated do-gooder liberals Congress.

By the way, as I write this, we in the Northeast are having one of the coolest starts to summer in recent memory, and last year was one where there was not one 100 degree day. Any of you guys ever see something that is heated and spontaneously cools on its own, just to reheat again at record levels? No, because such things don't happen in the physical universe -- the phenomenon does not exist.

I enjoy political discussions here and I do respect others who feel differently on the conservative versus liberal points of view. But this bill is that important to stop because the freedoms and lifestyle we all enjoy require access to affordable energy, and I think it's a cause we all share an interest in.

Joey..no offense..and this is cool..but I disagree with every single thing you wrote..that's hard to do, even for a Lefty/Righty arguement...Congrats