Jerry Moss just said....

[VOL JACK]

"Rachel run in restricted races all year except once."
WTF does he think those stakes that Zenyatta was running in all year where?

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

"Rachel run in restricted races all year except once."
WTF does he think those stakes that Zenyatta was running in all year where?

He was visibly bitter during Jackson's acceptance speech - I can understand his disappointment, but if he wants to end the debate, it certainly sounded like Jackson was open to a discussion.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

"Rachel run in restricted races all year except once."
WTF does he think those stakes that Zenyatta was running in all year where?

Moss should have seen this coming and run in the Jockey Club Gold Cup. But that might entail having to leave SoCal and running on real dirt.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Moss should have seen this coming and run in the Jockey Club Gold Cup. But that might entail having to leave SoCal and running on real dirt.

you think? that horse could of been horse of the decade if they only ran her..... i think the "reality" has set in and they realize they have to travel....lets hope thats the case.

[Frost King]

See what I don't understand, is that RA was annointed Champion before the Classic was even run. So why is it acceptable in horse racing to give the accolades before the season is over, but in all other sports, we wait until the playoffs. The Colts may have been the best team until Sunday's kickoff, but if the Jets beat them and win the Super Bowl, do we still crown the Colts Champions? The Colts rested there team the last two weeks, of the season. Nobody is giving them credit for maybe going 16-0. So why are we salivating over RA season, but when the Super Bowl(aka Classic) was run, we totally disregard the winner and blow it off, like it does not count. All I know, in the one field that Zenyatta beat that Saturday, there will be more horses standing at stud from that group, than the tomato cans that Rachael beat in all three times that see beat the males. In fact, just check out the field that Winning Colors beat in her Derby run, and she beat some pretty good horses that were eventually going to stud.

[tector]

Originally Posted by Frost King

See what I don't understand, is that RA was annointed Champion before the Classic was even run. So why is it acceptable in horse racing to give the accolades before the season is over, but in all other sports, we wait until the playoffs. The Colts may have been the best team until Sunday's kickoff, but if the Jets beat them and win the Super Bowl, do we still crown the Colts Champions? The Colts rested there team the last two weeks, of the season. Nobody is giving them credit for maybe going 16-0. So why are we salivating over RA season, but when the Super Bowl(aka Classic) was run, we totally disregard the winner and blow it off, like it does not count. All I know, in the one field that Zenyatta beat that Saturday, there will be more horses standing at stud from that group, than the tomato cans that Rachael beat in all three times that see beat the males. In fact, just check out the field that Winning Colors beat in her Derby run, and she beat some pretty good horses that were eventually going to stud.

The idea that the BC is the "playoffs" is fallacious. That is why you are confused. You can win HOY without the BC--and that should apply double when the BC is stupid enough to run on plastic.

I just had a post about 1990. Do you remember was the 1990 HOY?

It wasn't Unbridled, who won the Derby and BCC.

It wasn't Go For Wand. Or Bayakoa, for that matter.

Get some perspective.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by tector

The idea that the BC is the "playoffs" is fallacious. That is why you are confused. You can win HOY without the BC--and that should apply double when the BC is stupid enough to run on plastic.

I just had a post about 1990. Do you remember was the 1990 HOY?

It wasn't Unbridled, who won the Derby and BCC.

It wasn't Go For Wand. Or Bayakoa, for that matter.

Get some perspective.

TOTALLY AGREE, they should vote before the BC. the results from the last two years are meaningless.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Frost King

See what I don't understand, is that RA was annointed Champion before the Classic was even run. So why is it acceptable in horse racing to give the accolades before the season is over, but in all other sports, we wait until the playoffs. The Colts may have been the best team until Sunday's kickoff, but if the Jets beat them and win the Super Bowl, do we still crown the Colts Champions? The Colts rested there team the last two weeks, of the season. Nobody is giving them credit for maybe going 16-0. So why are we salivating over RA season, but when the Super Bowl(aka Classic) was run, we totally disregard the winner and blow it off, like it does not count. All I know, in the one field that Zenyatta beat that Saturday, there will be more horses standing at stud from that group, than the tomato cans that Rachael beat in all three times that see beat the males. In fact, just check out the field that Winning Colors beat in her Derby run, and she beat some pretty good horses that were eventually going to stud.

I might be wrong, but didn't the NFL just announce that Peyton Manning won MVP and Charles Woodson won the Defensive Player of the Year award? Good thing the league waited until the season was over to dish out the hardware.

[Frost King]

Every league has Season ending awards and playoff awards. The last time I checked, all stats in horse racing start on January 1 and end December 31. Just ask Garrett Gomez and Julian Leparoux. So by your analagy, the top seed in the AFC and NFC should be awarded the byes into the SuperBowl based on the season record. So if Manning gets hurt, we vote the Colts in as Super Bowl Champions because they were the best team during the regular season? Eventhough they might get beat in the playoffs? Someone once said to me, "That is why we play the games!"

[TouchOfGrey]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

"Rachel run in restricted races all year except once."
WTF does he think those stakes that Zenyatta was running in all year where?

All of Rachel's races were restricted to 3-year-olds, except the Woodward.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by TouchOfGrey

All of Rachel's races were restricted to 3-year-olds, except the Woodward.

And all of Zenyatta's races where restricted to Females except for the BCC.

[Smooth Operator]

He should've said that RA ran against horrible fillies, mediocre 3yo colts, and bad older horses all year … then stayed in the barn on Championship Saturday.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

He should've said that RA ran against horrible fillies, mediocre 3yo colts, and bad older horses all year … then stayed in the barn on Championship Saturday.

Oh yeah, and Zenyatta was beating some of the best Allowance Fillies and Mares that Cali had to offer.

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Oh yeah, and Zenyatta was beating some of the best Allowance Fillies and Mares that Cali had to offer.

Lol … yeah, that BCC field was just filled with "allowance fillies and mares".

[GenuineRisk]

Whatever. I'm just glad I don't have to listen anymore to Jerry Bailey whining about how Rachel didn't run in the Travers.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Lol … yeah, that BCC field was just filled with "allowance fillies and mares".

I was comparing the WHOLE YEAR...not a single race.
It was a great performance.
As was the Haskell that RA thrashed Munnings and Summer Bird.

[Phalaris1913]

Seven of the eight races Rachel ran in, Zenyatta could not have entered. Rachel could have run in every one of the races Zenyatta ran in.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Phalaris1913

Seven of the eight races Rachel ran in, Zenyatta could not have entered. Rachel could have run in every one of the races Zenyatta ran in.

The problem was Rachel Alexandra was too busy making racing history to try playing mere spoiler to Zenyatta's carpeted road towards an unbeaten record.

Put it this way. If they had met up in one of those races, win or lose, Zenyatta would not have run in the BC Classic.

The way I see it, Jess Jackson helped Zenyatta make racing history, too.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

The problem was Rachel Alexandra was too busy making racing history to try playing mere spoiler to Zenyatta's carpeted road towards an unbeaten record.

Put it this way. If they had met up in one of those races, win or lose, Zenyatta would not have run in the BC Classic.

The way I see it, Jess Jackson helped Zenyatta make racing history, too.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

"Rachel run in restricted races all year except once."
WTF does he think those stakes that Zenyatta was running in all year where?

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