This Upsets Me, What About You?

[2MinsToPost]

Today I was listening to a local talk radio station. They had someone on who is from the Learn and Earn Program, which is a group that is helping spearhead the ballot in the upcoming election to allow slots at Ohio Racetracks. She started out talking about our two local tracks, of course those are Beulah Park and Scioto Downs. Beulah is privately owned and Scioto is now owned by Mountaineer Gaming, they purchased Scioto I believe 2 years ago. She talked about the 200 Million dollars in improvements the owner and management of Beulah plan to put in place. Those include a nice hotel, covered parking and of course some nice restaurants. She did not go into detail about the improvements at Scioto, but did give mention, thank goodness, to the improvement in purses for the Horsemen. On to what upsets me.

A good portion of the revenue they will be receiving from slots will be going to a program so that many a college student will not have to pay tuition. She mentioned an example of how they would like to see in the future a 4 year students tuition expense at least cut in half. She then went on about how too many college graduates are forced to live almost in poverty as they stuggle to pay their college loans. Now, what upsets me is this..............

Since when are we, the Ohio Taxpayers, responsible for footing the bill for all these college students? Granted, not everyone plays the slots but I cant help but think that they will be dipping into other gambling revenue as well, i.e. Horse Racing. even if they don't dip into the Horse Racing money pool, why should the slot revenue go to what ultimately is the college students and parents responsibility? Welcome to life in the real world. Maybe your parents should have thought twice before buying that $200,000 home they could not afford. Maybe they should not have driven those brand new SUV's and Toyota Camry's they could hardly afford. Maybe you should have thought twice before you bought little Johnny that $15,000 Mustang when he turned 16. That $15,000 would put a great dent in that tuition.

I know there are under privaledged kids out there who bust their tail thru school who are in a home life where the parents can't afford to put them in college. I agree that they deserve some help. But for me to think that their is a program out there that wants to help EVERY single college student with revenue from slots, that burns me. That is not the slot players responsibilty. That is not the taxpayers responsibility. That is not the Horse Players responsibility. That is the parents and college students. Maybe once that college student graduates and has to think about paying on that loan, maybe instead of going out and buying a new car and getting married and having two kids that they could go out and buy a nice used car for a thousand or two and live in a modest apartment paying on that loan. Not too mention not having any kids till they are financially sound.

But no, the public is going to help carry that burden.

Anybody feel what I am trying to convey here?

[AeWingnut]

I think you are trying to say socialism sucks.

The long and short of it is. Without a promise to help out "education" they get no slots.

However, promising to do good with the new tax revenue is not the same as actually doing good with it. Here in the People's Republic of Illinois. They promised to put the money from the State lottery to education. It does go to education. They just stopped taking the money form the general fund. Net gain zero.

That's sorta the way the United Way does their bit. I can ask that all the money I would donate go to the Boy Scouts and NOT to Planned Parenthood. So they take the amount I gave to the Boy Scouts and subtract other money that was going to them.. and then give that money to Planned Parenthood.

I think that getting slots will help Buelah. The purses will go up, the quality of the races will go up and the Twins can get even more attention.

Ummm NO..I completely disagree with your opinion.

[2MinsToPost]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Ummm NO..I completely disagree with your opinion.

can you elaborate? because right now I have an opinion, but I want to hear others so I can think this over more and determine if maybe I am looking at this wrong.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

can you elaborate? because right now I have an opinion, but I want to hear others so I can think this over more and determine if maybe I am looking at this wrong.

Curt,
Here in NY, millions are made on people that buy "scratch off" tickets and lottery. The money raised is supposed to go towards education.
Yeah, right. I still get a huge school tax bill.
Seems to me that the people that take chances (gamblers) are the "suckers" that get exploited. Sorry, but the "powers that be" use whatever they can to raise revenue. We are easy.
Should the state fund free college education to everyone? I don't think so.
I commuted so that I could get my bachelors, then commuted some more for my masters. Did anyone pay my way? No.
I worked a job after classes, worked summers, and lived on hot dogs and macaroni.
I set my goals and worked hard to reach them.
Taking money from gamblers is bogus. I agree that the gamblers of Ohio aren't being treated fairly. Do those that receive the funding appreciate it?
Your guess is as good as mine.
DTS

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Curt,
Here in NY, millions are made on people that buy "scratch off" tickets and lottery. The money raised is supposed to go towards education.
Yeah, right. I still get a huge school tax bill.
Seems to me that the people that take chances (gamblers) are the "suckers" that get exploited. Sorry, but the "powers that be" use whatever they can to raise revenue. We are easy.
Should the state fund free college education to everyone? I don't think so.
I commuted so that I could get my bachelors, then commuted some more for my masters. Did anyone pay my way? No.
I worked a job after classes, worked summers, and lived on hot dogs and macaroni.
I set my goals and worked hard to reach them.
Taking money from gamblers is bogus. I agree that the gamblers of Ohio aren't being treated fairly. Do those that receive the funding appreciate it?
Your guess is as good as mine.
DTS

I think I'm with wayne here...we have the same lottery percentage in VT that goes to education and yet my school tax is still 2.38/100$.
At 30 I am still looking down the barrel of 10 more years of student loan payments. While in school I worked a near 40 hour work week and basically went without. My parents did not contribute to my education after the first year of school. Like wayne, I think it is completely within reason to expect that people can do for themselves...
Also in VT they are initiating a scholarship program, that forgives tuition provided that students remain in the state upon graduation to prevent "brain drain" that occurs often around here due to the high cost of living and limited job opportunities.
I don't think you guys are getting a good deal .

[2MinsToPost]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

I think I'm with wayne here...we have the same lottery percentage in VT that goes to education and yet my school tax is still 2.38/100$.
At 30 I am still looking down the barrel of 10 more years of student loan payments. While in school I worked a near 40 hour work week and basically went without. My parents did not contribute to my education after the first year of school. Like wayne, I think it is completely within reason to expect that people can do for themselves...
Also in VT they are initiating a scholarship program, that forgives tuition provided that students remain in the state upon graduation to prevent "brain drain" that occurs often around here due to the high cost of living and limited job opportunities.
I don't think you guys are getting a good deal .

So well said. I worked a 40 hour a week job all thru my college years as well. My 2 days off in the Spring, Winter and Fall I could be found in class or the library. My parents paid half of my tuition and the books, I was responsible for the other half. No doubt this affects my perception of this because as I slaved away at my job here were these other students driving brand new cars and not working one minute. A little bitter yes I am but I still don't see why a gambler should be responsible for helping a student with their college tuition. A little towards that sure but not the amount they are talking, no way no how.

STS so true as well about Mountaineer and their purse structure and the Horse Stock.

[SentToStud]

Man, I hate slot machines and see no evidence they're good for horse racing. Does anyone really believe the horses running at Mountaineer (or CharlesTown or whereever) are better than they were 25 years ago? The top guys at Mountaineer go to Chicago and Kentucky and get a bunch of nickel claimers by claim or purchase and they win at the Mount right away.

I lump the lottery in with slot machines. Does anyone see any improvement in their schools due to lottery proceeds? No, the money just goes in the general fund, no matter what the pols tell you.

The dirty little secret about slot machines and the lottery are that they are huge tax revenues gained from the spending of low-income people. They should know better, but they don't.

[Downthestretch55]

Pais and S2S,
You both said what I was trying to say, only you both said it better.
Thanks.
Ain't no free ride.
Bettors take it on the chin all the time. We're much more available.
DTS

[PeteMugg]

Volunteer tax or not, this would just be another tax funded benefit that won't help me a bit. For that matter, I don't think K thru 12 education should be a freebie.

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Man, I hate slot machines and see no evidence they're good for horse racing. Does anyone really believe the horses running at Mountaineer (or CharlesTown or whereever) are better than they were 25 years ago? The top guys at Mountaineer go to Chicago and Kentucky and get a bunch of nickel claimers by claim or purchase and they win at the Mount right away.

I lump the lottery in with slot machines. Does anyone see any improvement in their schools due to lottery proceeds? No, the money just goes in the general fund, no matter what the pols tell you.

The dirty little secret about slot machines and the lottery are that they are huge tax revenues gained from the spending of low-income people. They should know better, but they don't.

You are right. This is how the Bible toting Babtist can justify a vote for this "SIN".

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

Today I was listening to a local talk radio station. They had someone on who is from the Learn and Earn Program, which is a group that is helping spearhead the ballot in the upcoming election to allow slots at Ohio Racetracks. She started out talking about our two local tracks, of course those are Beulah Park and Scioto Downs. Beulah is privately owned and Scioto is now owned by Mountaineer Gaming, they purchased Scioto I believe 2 years ago. She talked about the 200 Million dollars in improvements the owner and management of Beulah plan to put in place. Those include a nice hotel, covered parking and of course some nice restaurants. She did not go into detail about the improvements at Scioto, but did give mention, thank goodness, to the improvement in purses for the Horsemen. On to what upsets me.

A good portion of the revenue they will be receiving from slots will be going to a program so that many a college student will not have to pay tuition. She mentioned an example of how they would like to see in the future a 4 year students tuition expense at least cut in half. She then went on about how too many college graduates are forced to live almost in poverty as they stuggle to pay their college loans. Now, what upsets me is this..............

Since when are we, the Ohio Taxpayers, responsible for footing the bill for all these college students? Granted, not everyone plays the slots but I cant help but think that they will be dipping into other gambling revenue as well, i.e. Horse Racing. even if they don't dip into the Horse Racing money pool, why should the slot revenue go to what ultimately is the college students and parents responsibility? Welcome to life in the real world. Maybe your parents should have thought twice before buying that $200,000 home they could not afford. Maybe they should not have driven those brand new SUV's and Toyota Camry's they could hardly afford. Maybe you should have thought twice before you bought little Johnny that $15,000 Mustang when he turned 16. That $15,000 would put a great dent in that tuition.

I know there are under privaledged kids out there who bust their tail thru school who are in a home life where the parents can't afford to put them in college. I agree that they deserve some help. But for me to think that their is a program out there that wants to help EVERY single college student with revenue from slots, that burns me. That is not the slot players responsibilty. That is not the taxpayers responsibility. That is not the Horse Players responsibility. That is the parents and college students. Maybe once that college student graduates and has to think about paying on that loan, maybe instead of going out and buying a new car and getting married and having two kids that they could go out and buy a nice used car for a thousand or two and live in a modest apartment paying on that loan. Not too mention not having any kids till they are financially sound.

But no, the public is going to help carry that burden.

Anybody feel what I am trying to convey here?

playing the slots is like playing the lottery...it's a volunteer tax. so this isn't a burden the public will carry, only those who decide to go play the slots.

i'm not a fan of socialism, i guess you could say this is somewhat socialistic....but anything that gets more kids a degree is a good thing. so whatever bad may outweigh the good.

problem is, any time funds are found for education in one spot, they generally take it away elsewhere. so education never gets ahead.
don't want to pay for a kids college? i guess you could choose not to play the slots.
besides, she said she'd 'like to see' it paid. not a done deal. i wouldn't get worked up over something that might not even occur.

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

Today I was listening to a local talk radio station. They had someone on who is from the Learn and Earn Program, which is a group that is helping spearhead the ballot in the upcoming election to allow slots at Ohio Racetracks. She started out talking about our two local tracks, of course those are Beulah Park and Scioto Downs. Beulah is privately owned and Scioto is now owned by Mountaineer Gaming, they purchased Scioto I believe 2 years ago. She talked about the 200 Million dollars in improvements the owner and management of Beulah plan to put in place. Those include a nice hotel, covered parking and of course some nice restaurants. She did not go into detail about the improvements at Scioto, but did give mention, thank goodness, to the improvement in purses for the Horsemen. On to what upsets me.

A good portion of the revenue they will be receiving from slots will be going to a program so that many a college student will not have to pay tuition. She mentioned an example of how they would like to see in the future a 4 year students tuition expense at least cut in half. She then went on about how too many college graduates are forced to live almost in poverty as they stuggle to pay their college loans. Now, what upsets me is this..............

Since when are we, the Ohio Taxpayers, responsible for footing the bill for all these college students? Granted, not everyone plays the slots but I cant help but think that they will be dipping into other gambling revenue as well, i.e. Horse Racing. even if they don't dip into the Horse Racing money pool, why should the slot revenue go to what ultimately is the college students and parents responsibility? Welcome to life in the real world. Maybe your parents should have thought twice before buying that $200,000 home they could not afford. Maybe they should not have driven those brand new SUV's and Toyota Camry's they could hardly afford. Maybe you should have thought twice before you bought little Johnny that $15,000 Mustang when he turned 16. That $15,000 would put a great dent in that tuition.

I know there are under privaledged kids out there who bust their tail thru school who are in a home life where the parents can't afford to put them in college. I agree that they deserve some help. But for me to think that their is a program out there that wants to help EVERY single college student with revenue from slots, that burns me. That is not the slot players responsibilty. That is not the taxpayers responsibility. That is not the Horse Players responsibility. That is the parents and college students. Maybe once that college student graduates and has to think about paying on that loan, maybe instead of going out and buying a new car and getting married and having two kids that they could go out and buy a nice used car for a thousand or two and live in a modest apartment paying on that loan. Not too mention not having any kids till they are financially sound.

But no, the public is going to help carry that burden.

Anybody feel what I am trying to convey here?

Pardon me but this is a ridiculous thing to get mad about and quite possibly the dumbest thing I ever read on this board.
Number 1) Its just a way to appease those who are against slot machines by sticking some of the money at education. fact is that they may hev been able to get the slots approved without the education/tuition rider and then noone would get the benefit.
Number 2) The "taxpayers" of Ohio aren't going to play those slot machines to support anyone. Everyone of the sickos who pull those levers are going there to try and win money!!! The fact that may lose and where the money goes is of little to no concern to them.
number 3) Yeah I suffered putting myself through school as well, and wish noone the misery of it. I don't think that just because I suffered and struggled to pay my way through that it means that others should have to. Its idiotic. Most students do far better in school with less financial strain.

So to sum it up in a very simple no bull**** manner, some sickies are gonna go to pull the levers hoping to win money. The sickies are gonna lose a lot more than they win. Some of what they lose will go to cut tuition costs so that students will have to pay less to get an education. Gee, that doesnt sound like something most people will lose sleep over tonight.

[2MinsToPost]

"the dumbest thing I have ever read on this board"

mike if i had a dollar for every time you have used that line i would have a couple hundred dollars to throw at some pick 4 this weekend

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

"the dumbest thing I have ever read on this board"

mike if i had a dollar for every time you have used that line i would have a couple hundred dollars to throw at some pick 4 this weekend

Well since you wrote most of em you'd deserve the dollars!!!

[2MinsToPost]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Well since you wrote most of em you'd deserve the dollars!!!

what is sad is I spent 20 minutes typing a response to you but no longer care. you and i have had our differences, you made your point i made mine. out of respect to Steve i refuse to post it on this thread, to drop to your name calling level anymore. i no longer act that way. leave it be mike, just leave it be.

[Cajungator26]

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