Roger Stein on Beyer on Zenyatta

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I think this is some pretty amusing stuff.

At the 10:25 mark in the most recent episode (11/14) of the Roger Stein Show ... Stein and his two co-hosts cut apart audio of Beyer from NPR and attempt to blast away at him.

http://www.rogerstein.com/radio/archive2.asp


I laughed pretty hard about how Stein thought Zenyatta was back as far as she was because something was wrong with her. Zenyatta actually ran open lengths faster through the early stages of the 2010 BC Classic than she had in any of her prior races over the last two years.

Another fun line from Stein "Here's the thing I'd like Andy Beyer to do finally. Come forward with your tax returns for the last 15 years. Got 10 million - 15 million that you won from the races? We'll listen to you. Our mighty leader we will listen - and whatever you say - it will be gosphel. If you're broke .. Shhhhuuutttt uuppp"

You also have John Hardoon from the Ragozin Sheets on there - now, I understand that he's doing tout work in So. Cal and he's playing to his prospective customers .. but he's actually the one who I get the biggest laugh from of the three. It's only funnier when you consider the numbers he's using have Uncle Mo's Juvenile faster - and Goldikova's Mile considerably faster.

It's a Player Haters Ball.

[slotdirt]

From his website. I just learned a lot!


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[randallscott35]

Gives you an appreciation for real horse racing discussion over Stein who is a hack.

[Indian Charlie]

Roger Stein is a freakin azzhole.

I knew some people that had horses with him, and he was as shady as they come.

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

It's a Player Haters Ball.

Coachie. You'll be happy and gratified to know that ROG hates me even more than you do. Pretty much rips me every week. His crowning glory was a few weeks back when he used his extensive investigative network to report to his listeners that I had no credibility. His evidence was that I misrepreseted my endowment to my then future wife. Even 60 minutes would have trouble unearthing such facts.

[blackthroatedwind]

Lenny Shulman, who a few days earlier had disagreed with me over Zenyatta on Byk's show, cowardly referred to me as an " idiot " on Roger Stein's show.

You really have to wonder what is wrong with these people. Horse racing has always created disagreement among its followers. This is a good thing. It's not personal, how could it be, but with Zenyatta somehow her followers have turned it into a good versus evil debate. It's sad.

[hockey2315]

I wonder how many serious bettors are on the Schulman, Stein, et al. side of things. I doubt it's many.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I wonder how many serious bettors are on the Schulman, Stein, et al. side of things. I doubt it's many.

John Hardoon of the Ragozin Sheets.

[10 pnt move up]

Roger Stein............wow taking anything that guy says serious is funny.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I've listened to Stein's show in the past from time to time - when the living legend Aaron Hesz was his co-host... luckily I was alerted to this piece of comedy through facebook.

[MISTERGEE]

wow, he says "beyer sounds like he just woke up from a drunken stupor", also his guest states " he is out of his mind". Also they rip to shreds his #'s and how they are made. Only item I disagreed with is when they said ZIppy Chippy should not have considered for HOY. OMG, they say listening to beyer will "make you want to go home and beat your children, Beyer is sick". All this because he said Z is not one of the all time greats?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

wow, he says "beyer sounds like he just woke up from a drunken stupor", also his guest states " he is out of his mind". Also they rip to shreds his #'s and how they are made. Only item I disagreed with is when they said ZIppy Chippy should not have considered for HOY. OMG, they say listening to beyer will "make you want to go home and beat your children, Beyer is sick". All this because he said Z is not one of the all time greats?

To be fair - in hearing the context of what those three had to say - I would be proud if they said that stuff about me.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

To be fair - in hearing the context of what those three had to say - I would be proud if they said that stuff about me.

Stein refers to something being "wrong" with Zenyatta early in the race as the reason she is so far behind as though this is common knowledge. Does he ever clarify what is wrong?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Lenny Shulman, who a few days earlier had disagreed with me over Zenyatta on Byk's show, cowardly referred to me as an " idiot " on Roger Stein's show.

You really have to wonder what is wrong with these people. Horse racing has always created disagreement among its followers. This is a good thing. It's not personal, how could it be, but with Zenyatta somehow her followers have turned it into a good versus evil debate. It's sad.

Maybe he was refering to you as an "idiot" in a Boston Red Sox fashion.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Lenny Shulman, who a few days earlier had disagreed with me over Zenyatta on Byk's show, cowardly referred to me as an " idiot " on Roger Stein's show.

You really have to wonder what is wrong with these people. Horse racing has always created disagreement among its followers. This is a good thing. It's not personal, how could it be, but with Zenyatta somehow her followers have turned it into a good versus evil debate. It's sad.

I agree with you regarding Shulman's comments. He ignored the aspect that as a handicapper, you are trying to beat Zenyatta. Particularly given her popularity at the windows. I disagree with one thing however and that the good versus evil debate is so one-sided. Unfortunately there are folks on both sides of this that appear to have a vendetta of sorts.

I am a huge fan of Z but am not looking to run everyone down that expresses disagreement. It is an important part of the game.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I think this is some pretty amusing stuff.

At the 10:25 mark in the most recent episode (11/14) of the Roger Stein Show ... Stein and his two co-hosts cut apart audio of Beyer from NPR and attempt to blast away at him.

http://www.rogerstein.com/radio/archive2.asp


I laughed pretty hard about how Stein thought Zenyatta was back as far as she was because something was wrong with her. Zenyatta actually ran open lengths faster through the early stages of the 2010 BC Classic than she had in any of her prior races over the last two years.

Another fun line from Stein "Here's the thing I'd like Andy Beyer to do finally. Come forward with your tax returns for the last 15 years. Got 10 million - 15 million that you won from the races? We'll listen to you. Our mighty leader we will listen - and whatever you say - it will be gosphel. If you're broke .. Shhhhuuutttt uuppp"

You also have John Hardoon from the Ragozin Sheets on there - now, I understand that he's doing tout work in So. Cal and he's playing to his prospective customers .. but he's actually the one who I get the biggest laugh from of the three. It's only funnier when you consider the numbers he's using have Uncle Mo's Juvenile faster - and Goldikova's Mile considerably faster.

How do you figure that Zenyatta ran "open lengths faster in the early stages of the 2010 BC Classic than she has in any of her previous races in the last two years"? When they went into the clubhouse turn, she was a good 20 lengths back. She ran her first 3 furlongs in somewhere between :38 and :39. That's not even close to the fastest she's run in the early stages of her races the last two years. It's actually one of the slowest.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

How do you figure that Zenyatta ran "open lengths faster in the early stages of the 2010 BC Classic than she has in any of her previous races in the last two years"? When they went into the clubhouse, she was a good 20 lengths back. She ran the half in somewhere between :50 and :51.

Zenyatta ran her half mile in 49.70 and her six furlongs in 1:13.50

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

That's not even close to the fastest she's run in the early stages of her races the last two years. It's actually one of the slowest she's run early in a race

Facepalm.

My pace figures have her running much faster early on in the BC Classic than any race she's run in over the last two years. The Moss pace figures had her running faster early than any race she had run in over the last two years.

Did Ketucky Roses In May steal your login again? Saying "it's actually one of the slowest she's run early in the race" is a weapons grade stupid comment. Show me your pace figures .. point me to races in the last two years where she ran faster on them.

[Echo Farm]

Rank Trainer Name Starts 1st 2nd 3rd Earnings Win% Top3 Top3%

1,186 Roger M. Stein 159 8 16 21 $169,259 5% 45 28%

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