Sun KIng

What a tough animal. He needs a rest badly. The race set up perfectly for him and he was trying so hard and just did not have it. Effort horses like this have got to be handled properly. What is Flower Alley's excuse now? He had nothing. This horse is clearly running very poorly. Something is not right. He may be training well, but that does not count. And can we please move Funny Cide to a lower level. He starts out from the outside position like a bat out of hell and just dies. I dont like watching that.

Originally Posted by pgardn

What a tough animal. He needs a rest badly. The race set up perfectly for him and he was trying so hard and just did not have it. Effort horses like this have got to be handled properly. What is Flower Alley's excuse now? He had nothing. This horse is clearly running very poorly. Something is not right. He may be training well, but that does not count.

He ran the best race of any horse today IMO...he was closing well like always against the bias...his Rag fig will be good off that...just not sure if he is at his best going 1 1/4 miles if they point for the Classic which they are....

[Seattleallstar]

Sun King sucks!

[sumitas]

Papi Chullo, after 2 weeks rest coming off a tough 2nd in the Longacres Mile, flies coast to coast and gets a big effort 4th in the Woodward. He's one tough cookie who someday may be spotted better.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by sumitas

Papi Chullo, after 2 weeks rest coming off a tough 2nd in the Longacres Mile, flies coast to coast and gets a big effort 4th in the Woodward. He's one tough cookie who someday may be spotted better.

Sumitas,
I'm with you on Papi Chullo. If he gets some time off, he'll do just fine.
Bet him big second off the lay off.
Funny Cide? Either they drop him, shorten up, or send him to a nice retirement farm.
Sun King? Ridden hard, used up...to the shed before he gets hurt and doesn't have stud value. Poly won't save him.
Just my two cents.
DTS

[sumitas]

Maybe FC has an excuse. He was in perfect position until dropping sharply back. Hope he's ok.

Sun King ...

... the new, not-so-improved Perfect Drift.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

He ran the best race of any horse today IMO...he was closing well like always against the bias...his Rag fig will be good off that...just not sure if he is at his best going 1 1/4 miles if they point for the Classic which they are....

Randy Moss said there was no speed bias today; he made a point of saying that because he probably knew people would be wondering how on earth this result could have happened? Frankly, too many horses ran poorly for me to think very highly of this race.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

What a tough animal. He needs a rest badly. The race set up perfectly for him and he was trying so hard and just did not have it. Effort horses like this have got to be handled properly. What is Flower Alley's excuse now? He had nothing. This horse is clearly running very poorly. Something is not right. He may be training well, but that does not count. And can we please move Funny Cide to a lower level. He starts out from the outside position like a bat out of hell and just dies. I dont like watching that.

he regresses off top performances...give him a break, and bring him into the bcc. he'll be a threat. i'd use him underneath some horses, and it sure wouldn't break my heart to have charismatic as the sire of a classic winner.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

he regresses off top performances...give him a break, and bring him into the bcc. he'll be a threat. i'd use him underneath some horses, and it sure wouldn't break my heart to have charismatic as the sire of a classic winner.

Me either! He tries every single time he goes out there.

[Cannon Shell]

I love the line about Randy Moss saying there was no speed bias, as though he was the god of biases. There may have been no speed bias but If you look at the results of the 1 1/8th races today you wont see many closers faring well.

I guess we have to wait to see what kind of Rag sheet number Flower Alley gets before we can declare this as truly a bad race. Sorry Todd, couldn't resist.

The person that buys horses for Greg Norman does a remarkable job considering the results he gets despite his obvious lack of training or management skills.

Sun King is the definition of grinder.

Don't understand why people still get upset when Funny Cide runs up the track. He is a nice grade 3 horse that happens to be a gelding. As long as he is sound who cares how much he loses? Lots of not so great horses win triple crown races. Just most are retired before they can truly be exposed like FC.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Don't understand why people still get upset when Funny Cide runs up the track. He is a nice grade 3 horse that happens to be a gelding. As long as he is sound who cares how much he loses? Lots of not so great horses win triple crown races. Just most are retired before they can truly be exposed like FC.

If I was a jock on Funny Cide going against this level I would just pull him up after he starts to falter. Its not fair to do this to an animal that is bred and trained to run past or ahead of other horses. He actually might put an amount of effort that is too much for him, and then he wont stay sound. I love this horse and would love to read about or see him run at a lower level.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Sun King looked like a miler.A good race from him.That track is certainly not for everybody.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I love the line about Randy Moss saying there was no speed bias, as though he was the god of biases. There may have been no speed bias but If you look at the results of the 1 1/8th races today you wont see many closers faring well.

I guess we have to wait to see what kind of Rag sheet number Flower Alley gets before we can declare this as truly a bad race. Sorry Todd, couldn't resist.

The person that buys horses for Greg Norman does a remarkable job considering the results he gets despite his obvious lack of training or management skills.

Sun King is the definition of grinder.

Don't understand why people still get upset when Funny Cide runs up the track. He is a nice grade 3 horse that happens to be a gelding. As long as he is sound who cares how much he loses? Lots of not so great horses win triple crown races. Just most are retired before they can truly be exposed like FC.

If randy moss actually said that there was no speed bias, they need to have him covering tiddly winks and womens volleyball.
Did he actually say that?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by oracle80

If randy moss actually said that there was no speed bias, they need to have him covering tiddly winks and womens volleyball.
Did he actually say that?

he did indeed.

Originally Posted by oracle80

If randy moss actually said that there was no speed bias, they need to have him covering tiddly winks and womens volleyball.
Did he actually say that?

Sorry. Randy Moss is the one guy who does know what he is talking about on TV. Who else you got in mind to put in his spot? The guy knows his history, he knows the horses, he is well-spoken. All the track guys they have analyzing races at all the different tracks... no way in hell they could take his spot.
I think the Moss, Mayne, Bailey combination is working very, very well. I really like Bailey and his arrogant edge. And with Mayne to lighten things up. A very good bunch. ESPN must be given kudos with this group. It works in a sport that does not.

[Suffolk Shippers]

Originally Posted by pgardn

What is Flower Alley's excuse now? He had nothing. This horse is clearly running very poorly. Something is not right. He may be training well, but that does not count. And can we please move Funny Cide to a lower level. He starts out from the outside position like a bat out of hell and just dies. I dont like watching that.

point 1: Flower Alley is done, is he hurt? Who knows...him taking 1/2 the year off and then spotting up in the Salvatore sold me off him permanently. Peaked in the Travers/BCC last year. Retire and be happy FA.

point 2: Sackatoga Stables should be ashamed of themselves. I suspect they made Tagg run Funny Cide in this spot where he was in over his head.
They wanted a little star rub at the Spa, blah, blah, blah. They need to realize that he is not a GI/GII horse anymore, and he really hasn't been since those three months or so from the Wood through the Belmont in 2003. I think the true RIGHT thing to do is to turn the old boy out and live a spirited retirement, but I doubt they will do that. So, if they do run him, let's hope they revert to form from earlier this year like racing him in the Kings Point or that race at Woodbine. It's a true shame to watch a dual classic champion run into the ground by a few high school buddies who know dick about racing.
Their story was fun during the Triple Crown, but guys...YOUR 15 MINUTES IS UP...and you are showing your novice state now. Do right by the animal.

Clearly, I just vented

[Danzig]

feel better now??? good!! i agree on both counts btw.

Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers

Sackatoga Stables should be ashamed of themselves. I suspect they made Tagg run Funny Cide in this spot where he was in over his head.
They wanted a little star rub at the Spa, blah, blah, blah. They need to realize that he is not a GI/GII horse anymore, and he really hasn't been since those three months or so from the Wood through the Belmont in 2003. I think the true RIGHT thing to do is to turn the old boy out and live a spirited retirement, but I doubt they will do that. So, if they do run him, let's hope they revert to form from earlier this year like racing him in the Kings Point or that race at Woodbine. It's a true shame to watch a dual classic champion run into the ground by a few high school buddies who know dick about racing.
Their story was fun during the Triple Crown, but guys...YOUR 15 MINUTES IS UP...and you are showing your novice state now. Do right by the animal.

Clearly, I just vented

Wow ... unreal !!!

Here's the exact text of my post on the "Flower Alley & Funny Cide" thread ... I'd accuse you of plagiarizing from me ... except your post was a few hours before mine ...

"There's nothing 'funny' about what has been done with this poor horse ...

... he has been repeatedly humiliated by the egomaniacs of the Sack-O-Kaka syndicate ... who fell too much in love with the spotlight ... and who still don't realize that their fifteen minutes of fame have long passed.

I think no one has been more embarrassed by these boors than Barclay Tagg ... a real horseman who is surely aware of his horse's regressed ability.

A true trouper like Funny Cide is indeed to be pitied ... but thank goodness he isn't aware of what has been done to him ... or he would have kicked the kaka out of the entire sad sack."

Too close for comfort !!!

[Thunder Gulch]

I hope Sun King keeps chugging along and filling out huge all/ all/ sunny triples