"Charismatic" on ESPN

[Merlinsky]

http://espn.go.com/espn/espnfilms/st...04/charismatic

Airs Oct. 18th at 8pm ET on ESPN.

[Calzone Lord]

The story of the horse was more interesting and unusual than the story of the jockey.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

http://espn.go.com/espn/espnfilms/st...04/charismatic

Airs Oct. 18th at 8pm ET on ESPN.

Thanks for the heads up!

[VOL JACK]

I got married the day he won the Preakness (May 15th 1999)

This was way before I was into Horse racing.
Now my Dumb^$$ has an Anniversary to celebrate on every Preakness weekend.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

I was got married

^^
Authentic SEC speak

[VOL JACK]

I was gonna type " I was busy getting married"

I am tired.

What do you know about SEC speak, you always spell Peyton Manning's name wrong.

[OldDog]

Thanks, Merlinsky!

I've been waiting for this -- it was originally to be aired as one of ESPN's 30 for 30 shows, but was pulled for some reason. The story is compelling; I hope they do it justice.

[Sightseek]

The footage of Antley is heartbreaking.

[blackthroatedwind]

It is refreshing to hear the honesty about the ride costing Charismatic the race. Chris was a great rider. That was a horrendous ride.

[Calzone Lord]

I'm not sure what Ron Anderson was babbling about when he was attempting to defend the ride ... the horse ran his race and didn't break down until after the finish line.

If you're taking the position of defending the ride - it's a very simple explanation - the filly Silverbulletday came into that race with form and numbers that were clearly superior to any of Charismatic's male rivals.

If Silverbulletday was allowed no pressure on an uncontested lead -- she was almost 100% likely to run to her best numbers. Charismatic was also stretching out off of a very fast paced 9.5 furlong race - and was never that far back in the Derby -- what really made the ride appear to be so terrible after the fact was the dismal way Silverbulletday performed in the final quarter mile after getting all that pressure through very legit fractions.





SILVERBULLETDAY




Was it a terrible ride? In a sense that Charismatic still ran to his good form despite the more forward tactics - and his best challenger fell apart very late from the pressure - the tactics actually worked because they achieved the desired goal in that sense.

The problem was two horses (Lemon Drop Kid and Vision And Verse) both made significant improvement over the form they brought into the race.

Trying to erase an advantage of your toughest competitior on paper is A LOT different than doing something truly insane and going after a 100/1 shot on paper like Franklin did in '79.

That aside -- Antley was one F'ed up mo-fo who needed help.

[blackthroatedwind]

Silverbulletday was not a serious threat to win that race....though I get your point.

Ron's comments were absurd.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Silverbulletday was not a serious threat to win that race....though I get your point.

Her and Menifee were the only two rivals in the race under 9/1 odds... and he had just beaten Menifee twice and Menifee didn't even manage to finish ahead of Silverbulletday in that Belmont.

Bad ride or not - I think his fear was SBD jogging on an uncontested lead and he having to worry about coming from mid-pack behind a slower pace with other jocks trying to race-ride him.

Because of the way the film was presented -- it might leave some thinking his brain was cooked from drugs, or from partying the night before, or lack of sleep or whatever. Certainly that wasn't the case. He simply had his eye on SBD the whole way and didn't seem too concerned about Menifee .. the rest were all longshots.

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Ron's comments were absurd.

They really were bad.. Maybe he hasn't seen the replay since 99 to remember when the horse broke down..

I wasn't aware that Lukas talked with Lewis about a jock switch between the Preakness and Belmont.. I wonder if someone like Bailey or McCarron would have made a difference..

[blackthroatedwind]

Antley was a truly great rider....that ride aside.

[PeteMugg]

Perhaps CA thought he was sitting on a tremendous machine. Winning a TC just wasn't enough, had to be over the top.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Antley was a truly great rider....that ride aside.

Agree 100%..had skills that most jocks could only dream about it...strong demon had one hell of a hold on him..always wondered how great he really could have been...RIP Ant Man..

Scat OUT

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I'm not sure what Ron Anderson was babbling about when he was attempting to defend the ride ... the horse ran his race and didn't break down until after the finish line.

If you're taking the position of defending the ride - it's a very simple explanation - the filly Silverbulletday came into that race with form and numbers that were clearly superior to any of Charismatic's male rivals.

If Silverbulletday was allowed no pressure on an uncontested lead -- she was almost 100% likely to run to her best numbers. Charismatic was also stretching out off of a very fast paced 9.5 furlong race - and was never that far back in the Derby -- what really made the ride appear to be so terrible after the fact was the dismal way Silverbulletday performed in the final quarter mile after getting all that pressure through very legit fractions.





SILVERBULLETDAY

I remember the effortless move to the front that Silverbulletday made in the Oaks and I still believe she would have been tough to beat in the Derby. I guess Baffert didn't want his superb fillies facing off, but he sent the wrong one on the wrong day.

[TouchOfGrey]

DRF | Barbara Livingson remembers Chris Antley

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I'm not sure what Ron Anderson was babbling about when he was attempting to defend the ride ... the horse ran his race and didn't break down until after the finish line.

If you're taking the position of defending the ride - it's a very simple explanation - the filly Silverbulletday came into that race with form and numbers that were clearly superior to any of Charismatic's male rivals.

If Silverbulletday was allowed no pressure on an uncontested lead -- she was almost 100% likely to run to her best numbers. Charismatic was also stretching out off of a very fast paced 9.5 furlong race - and was never that far back in the Derby -- what really made the ride appear to be so terrible after the fact was the dismal way Silverbulletday performed in the final quarter mile after getting all that pressure through very legit fractions.





SILVERBULLETDAY




Was it a terrible ride? In a sense that Charismatic still ran to his good form despite the more forward tactics - and his best challenger fell apart very late from the pressure - the tactics actually worked because they achieved the desired goal in that sense.

The problem was two horses (Lemon Drop Kid and Vision And Verse) both made significant improvement over the form they brought into the race.

Trying to erase an advantage of your toughest competitior on paper is A LOT different than doing something truly insane and going after a 100/1 shot on paper like Franklin did in '79.

That aside -- Antley was one F'ed up mo-fo who needed help.

Why does her running line not reflect the race she ran?

[Travis Stone]

Antley was my favorite jockey growing-up. I still remember when I finally got his "jockey trading card" at Saratoga.