Obama - 20 brand new F-16's; part of 1B Aid package for the Muslim Brotherhood

[Rudeboyelvis]

Great. This is working out well.


Any chance we learn our lesson in Syria?

I know. I was being facetious.


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12...est=latestnews

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Great. This is working out well.


Any chance we learn our lesson in Syria?

I know. I was being facetious.


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12...est=latestnews

I think this is Congress, not Obama, yes? As Congress allots funding/aid and where it goes.

[Danzig]

i googled for confirmation. but everyone with an article cites fox news as a source. is there a second, viable source for the story?

and it's not 'obama' sending it. just inflammatory rhetoric (propaganda) from fox.

as for morsi, he already backed down and removed the powers he'd recently granted himself. there's instability for sure, but it's not like we are sending planes to assad in syria, or iran.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I think this is Congress, not Obama, yes? As Congress allots funding/aid and where it goes.

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's not 'obama' sending it. just inflammatory rhetoric (propaganda) from fox.

Is he not the president? Does he not have veto authority?

Yes. Congress appropriates funding. And does an amazing job of spending it too. But not without Executive approval.

He is still charge, right??

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Is he not the president? Does he not have veto authority?

Yes. Congress appropriates funding. And does an amazing job of spending it too. But not without Executive approval.

He is still charge, right??

since it's part of the deal made two years ago, i don't know if it can be changed. also, presidents don't have line item veto, so he couldn't draw a line thru just that.
at any rate, a bit disingenuous to say 'obama' is sending them. the u.s. is sending them as part of a deal made in '10.
what reason would there be not to send? egypt ostensibly remains an ally. and i see in the article, that 'some' suggest it's a bad move. which means others don't.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

since it's part of the deal made two years ago, i don't know if it can be changed. also, presidents don't have line item veto, so he couldn't draw a line thru just that.
at any rate, a bit disingenuous to say 'obama' is sending them. the u.s. is sending them as part of a deal made in '10.
what reason would there be not to send? egypt ostensibly remains an ally. and i see in the article, that 'some' suggest it's a bad move. which means others don't.

Yes, the ever present 'some' 'others' are saying is a constant from one talking head to the next one...always wonder who the some and others are...'It's the guy on the show before you numnutz' (Jon Stewart}..

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Danzig

since it's part of the deal made two years ago, i don't know if it can be changed. also, presidents don't have line item veto, so he couldn't draw a line thru just that.
at any rate, a bit disingenuous to say 'obama' is sending them. the u.s. is sending them as part of a deal made in '10.
what reason would there be not to send? egypt ostensibly remains an ally. and i see in the article, that 'some' suggest it's a bad move. which means others don't.

I think it's disingenuous to make believe that same crap occurring in Syria can't happen in Egypt with this new regime. Egypt is not the same country that it was 2 years ago.
"To say, oh well, that was the deal we had, so..." is preposterous. and Yes, the president can invoke Executive privilege to stop a congressional action that can potentially threaten our security. Perhaps he is only familiar with it when using it to keep his cronies out of prison (RE: Holder & Fast and Furious).

So yes. It's on him. He's the Commander in Chief.

Oh, wait - Morsi apologized for installing Islamic law. Don't know what could have possibly come over him. Perhaps it's the cash and the fighter jets. Wait until he has them and see what happens.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I think this is Congress, not Obama, yes? As Congress allots funding/aid and where it goes.

So the Iraq war was not Bush but congress?

Or do only republican Presidents allocate military funding?

GM bailout, extending unemployment benefits, payroll tax cut, cash for clunkers, Obamacare etc etc. are those congress as well?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

So the Iraq war was not Bush but congress?

Or do only republican Presidents allocate military funding?

GM bailout, extending unemployment benefits, payroll tax cut, cash for clunkers, Obamacare etc etc. are those congress as well?

well, yes, dell. it is congress and not just the president. thanks for catching on, finally.
or you can keep blaming just obama. i'm sure you took umbrage when people only blamed bush...so, you know, do the same thing. but it's different, cause it's a democrat. right?

[GenuineRisk]

Someone needs a refresher in Civics 101. To wit:

Originally Posted by dellinger63

So the Iraq war was not Bush but congress?

Congress authorized, yes. Oct 16, 2002.

Or do only republican Presidents allocate military funding?

No President allocates military funding. Congress allocates all funding. It's in the Constitution. Look it up.

GM bailout, extending unemployment benefits, payroll tax cut, cash for clunkers, Obamacare etc etc. are those congress as well?

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And depending on what your "etc. etc" are, probably yes and yes as well.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Someone needs a refresher in Civics 101. To wit:



Congress authorized, yes. Oct 16, 2002.



No President allocates military funding. Congress allocates all funding. It's in the Constitution. Look it up.



Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And depending on what your "etc. etc" are, probably yes and yes as well.

Not Bush's war....

Congress's Cash for Clunkers

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Not Bush's war....

Congress's Cash for Clunkers

The president submits a budget proposal every year. Of course the actual budget is done by congress. The president also is the one to ask for military intervention. I don't think a president has ever been denied a war resolution or military request by congress.
So, its not bushes war, or obamas (except maybe the libya action for a fairly recent example, since i do not think obama ever went to congress about that) but that doesn't mean its all on congress either.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Someone needs a refresher in Civics 101. To wit:



Congress authorized, yes. Oct 16, 2002.
but it will forever be know as Bush's War!



No President allocates military funding. Congress allocates all funding. It's in the Constitution. Look it up.



Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And depending on what your "etc. etc" are, probably yes and yes as well.

Yes, indeed..

[lord007]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...on-protesters/....Hey atleast they are using buckshot!!!