Presidential Communication

[joeydb]

What do you think happened?

When did you stop beating your wife?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

When did you stop beating your wife?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

When did you stop beating your wife?

Since what he said was false, and he repeated it about 30 times on telecasts, what other possibility is there? He either knew he was wrong and kept saying it, or he never figured out he was wrong.

That is not the same as the old political joke you refer to as "when did you stop beating your wife".

There simply is no other possibility besides the two I listed.

It is inexplicable that such a supposedly brilliant politician "painted himself into a corner", but, there it is.

Love the phrase "overblown outrage."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/29/opinio...act/index.html

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

Love the phrase "overblown outrage."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/29/opinio...act/index.html

Yeah, that woman who lost her policies and access to her oncologists in her 7 year fight against stage 4 cancer is really overreacting.

[Danzig]

first of alll, anyone who believes anything any politician tells them is a fool.
secondly, obama, just like every other president in the history of this country (even washington had his detractors) gets far too much blame when things aren't great, and they all get too much credit when things go well.

i wish everyone would keep in mind that congress has far more to do with peoples' daily lives then the president ever could. they write the legislation, they pass the bills that become laws, they write (or don't write) the budgets, raise or lower taxes, etc.

was obama wrong? yes.

as for the one lady with stage four cancer-joey, how many will get care who formerly couldn't, versus how many will have to change coverages? does the good outweigh the bad? will more people be helped or hurt? at least she can get other insurance, whereas before obamacare, they would have her maxed out (lifetime maximums are no more), cancelled, and no one else would have written her.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Just what the liberals need - another sanctimonious blowhard explaining to all beneath her how his lies and bullsh1t are for their own good.

Lovely.

Amazing how in just 6 short years, this discussion went from:

"Reforming the system to make healthcare available to all"

to:

"Doing absolutely nothing about the system except to shift all of the financial burden to tax payers"

I guess he meant to say that too.

From the 50,000 foot view, nothing changes. The poor won't pay (just like now) it's just that the Hospital Systems and Insurance carriers will no longer have to take quarterly write downs of their loses by the caring for the uninsured.

We get to pay, in taxes, for all of the risk in the system. They do nothing but cherry pick their clientele and rake in cash hand over fist.


In Florida, there is a similar system in place for homeowners insurance. Since there might actually be a risk of paying a claim due to a windstorm, most Insurance companies don't write policies here, at least not anywhere near the coast.

These policies go to a state funded insurance pool (Citizens Property Insurance Corp.), and you have to go to them to get insured.

Here's what we know about how Citizens works:

1. All of these policies are typically 4 to 5 times the cost of real insurance.
2. The HOA3 coverage is bare bones, with exorbitant deductibles
3. They are a nightmare to deal with, if, heaven forfend you actually need them to pay a claim.
4. You can now be dropped, by even them (thanks Insurance Lobby!) and be forced to get insurance through Lloyd's of London. Of course that's about 10x what a typical premium costs, and only insures the appraised value of the property. So if you're upside down (like everyone here) you get to pay for an additional gap policy ( which is around 25x what a typical premium costs) for the difference.


Wanna take a guess what ACA will look like in 5 years?!

You don't need to look much further as the parallels are identical.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

Love the phrase "overblown outrage."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/29/opinio...act/index.html

yep.

however, for some the bare bones plans were fine. somre are past child bearing age for one, so need for maternity and other reproductive care, or coverage for children. no vaccinations, well baby, etc.
some are on no meds, so why pay for a prescription plan?
also, shockingly enough, many people don't get sick. they don't see the need to pay for copays and the like, because they never go to the doctor. hell, tony and i would be better off with a high deductible-knock on wood-but in 27 years of marriage, we've reached our deductible once. so why pay for a low one?

it would have been nice if they let the buyer decide-but i have no doubt that the insurance companies, who wrote the law, didn't want that.