Annual Eclipse Award Discussion Thread

[Kasept]

My Eclipse ballot..

Horse of the Year: 1st - California Chrome, 2nd - Songbird, 3rd - Arrogate

Two-Year-Old Male: 1st - Classic Empire, 2nd - Not This Time, 3rd - Oscar Performance (Practical Joke)
Two-Year-Old Filly: 1st - Champagne Room, 2nd - Abel Tasman (Lady Aurelia), 3rd - New Money Honey

Three-Year-Old Male: : 1st - Arrogate, 2nd - Gun Runner, 3rd - Connect (Nyquist; Exaggerator)
Three-Year-Old Filly: 1st - Songbird, 2nd - Cathryn Sophia, 3rd - Time and Motion (Queen's Trust)

Older Dirt Male: 1st - California Chrome, 2nd - Frosted, 3rd - Melatonin (Lord Nelson)
Older Dirt Female: 1st - Beholder, 2nd - Forever Unbridled (Cavorting), 3rd - Stellar Wind

Male Sprinter: 1st - Drefong, 2nd - A.P. Indian, 3rd - Lord Nelson
Female Sprinter: 1st - Finest City, 2nd - Haveyougoneaway, 3rd - Paulassilverlining

Male Turf Horse: 1st - Flintshire, 2nd - Tourist, 3rd - Midnight Storm (Highland Reel)
Female Turf Horse: 1st - Tepin, 2nd - Miss Temple City , 3rd - Lady Eli

Steeplechase Horse: 1st - Rawnaq, 2nd - Scorpiancer, 3rd - Top Striker

Owner: 1st - Klaravich Stables and William H. Lawrence, 2nd - Juddmonte Farms, 3rd - Reddam Racing (Ramsey; Spendthrift)
Breeder: 1st - Clearsky Farms, 2nd - WinStar Farm, 3rd - Charles Fipke (Darley)

Jockey: 1st - Mike Smith, 2nd - Jose Ortiz, 3rd - Javier Castellano
Apprentice Jockey: 1st - Lane Luzzi, 2nd - Kevin Gomez, 3rd - Luis Ocasio

Trainer: 1st - Chad Brown, 2nd - Bob Baffert, 3rd - Mark Casse

[Kasept]

Here's access to the info package for your ballots..

List your 1-2-3 selections below..

Eclipse Candidate Past Performances (Horses by category)

Statistics Links Page

Horses
Jockeys
Trainers
Owners
Breeders
Apprentice Jockeys
Grade 1 Stakes Winners


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Older Dirt Male:
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Male Sprinter:
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Male Turf Horse:
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Horse of the Year:

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[blackthroatedwind]

Eclipse Award for Radio/Media: Someone other than Steve Byk.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Eclipse Award for Radio/Media: Someone other than Steve Byk.

If only there was a future book!

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Two-Year-Old Male:
Two-Year-Old Filly: Elate or Lockdown

Three-Year-Old Male: Arrogate
Three-Year-Old Filly:

Older Dirt Male:
Older Dirt Female:

Male Sprinter:
Female Sprinter:

Male Turf Horse:
Female Turf Horse:
Steeplechase Horse:

Horse of the Year: Arrogate

Owner:
Breeder:

Jockey:
Apprentice Jockey:

Trainer:

Finish the rest later.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Finish the rest later.

Still thinking on the 3 year old filly choice ?

[Thunder Gulch]

Two-Year-Old Male: Classic Empire
Two-Year-Old Filly: Champagne Room

Three-Year-Old Male: Arrogate
Three-Year-Old Filly: Songbird

Older Dirt Male: California Chrome
Older Dirt Female: Beholder

Male Sprinter: Drefong
Female Sprinter: Haveyougoneaway

Male Turf Horse: Flintshire
Female Turf Horse: Tepin
Steeplechase Horse:

Horse of the Year: California Chrome

Owner: Juddmonte
Breeder: Ken RamsayDarley
Jockey: Javier Castellano
Apprentice Jockey:

Trainer: Chad Brown
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[taxicab]

Two-Year-Old Male: Classic Empire
Two-Year-Old Filly: Champagne Room

Three-Year-Old Male: Arrogate
Three-Year-Old Filly: Songbird

Older Dirt Male: California Chrome
Older Dirt Female: Beholder

Male Sprinter: Defrong
Female Sprinter: Finest City

Male Turf Horse: Flintshire
Female Turf Horse: Tepin
Steeplechase Horse: Top Striker

Horse of the Year: California Chrome

Owner: Darley
Breeder: Winstar

Jockey: Javier Castellano
Apprentice Jockey: Luis Ocasio

Trainer: Bob Baffert

[jnunan4759]

I'm ok with all of it but sad to see Bob LeBeau not get a vote.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by jnunan4759

I'm ok with all of it but sad to see Bob LeBeau not get a vote.

A very nice sentiment Joe, but hard to put him ahead of anyone with just the Smithwick win to go on. After the slam dunk championship for Rawnaq, can't deny Scorpiancer and Top Striker their nods.

Scorpiancer won the G1 Lonesome Glory and enjoyed 3 more G1 placings including the narrow Grand National loss to Rawnaq at Far Hills.

Top Striker was the most improved hurdler of the year coming on late to win the G2 Zeke Ferguson and then the prestigious G1 Colonial.

Certainly won't forget Bob Le Beau though. A particularly good chaser over racetrack courses.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Two-Year-Old Male: Classic Empire ~ Not This Time ~ Practical Joke

Two-Year-Old Filly: Pretty City Dancer ~ Valadorna ~ Miss Sky Warrior

Three-Year-Old Male: Arrogate ~ Gun Runner ~ Connect

Three-Year-Old Filly: Songbird ~ Cathryn Sofia ~ Carina Mia

Older Dirt Male: California Chrome ~ Frosted

Older Dirt Female: Beholder ~ Stellar Wind ~ Cavorting

Male Sprinter: A.P. Indian ~ Drefong ~ Lord Nelson

Female Sprinter: Paulassilverlining ~ Finest City ~ Haveyougoneaway

Male Turf Horse: Flintshire ~ Tourist ~ Da Big Hoss

Female Turf Horse: Lady Eli ~ Tepin ~ Found

Steeplechase Horse: Rawnaq

Horse of the Year: California Chrome ~ Songbird ~ Arrogate

Owner: Klaravich Stables, Inc. and Lawrence, William H.

Breeder: Clearsky Farms

Jockey: Jose Ortiz ~ Javier Castellano ~ Florent Geroux

Apprentice Jockey: Luis M. Ocasio

Trainer: Chad Brown ~ Mark Casse ~ Bob Baffert

[jnunan4759]

No need to apologize Steve. Those of us who follow racing saw what a good year Klaravich had. I think you were 100% right.

[RHT2004]

A grave injustice was done here. 3rd? lol.
Amazing.
I mean I know most here love Chrome and have an issue w/ Bob, but does h2h mean nothing? Does settling it on the track not matter? H2H in the biggest race in America.... Chrome was given an easy lead and was run down on the money fair and square. How could he ever beat him if he couldn't that day? Imagine if anyone pushed Chrome and Arrogate just settled in 3rd or 4th he could have won by 10.
He is the most brilliant horse since Bernardini and was robbed of this award. Its ok though. H2H again in 6 days and he will win again. And one would think that 9f at Gulfstream would be a dream for Chrome, right? Arrogate is clearly a true classic 10f horse. But it wont matter because he oozes class. They had a NYRA calendar give away at OTB today and a contest so it was more crowded then usual. I heard a group of men talking about this race saying Chrome will be a heavy favorite. They went on and on how he is going to be 3-5 and you cant make money betting him. I felt like I was in an alternate universe. If Arrogate isn't favored someone knows something the public doesn't. But I guess hopefully he isn't favored. Maybe people get sentimental and bet Chrome being his last race. I sure hope so.
And I don't even want to get started on how he finished 3rd in the voting. I could write 10 pages on why he was more deserving then Songbird. How was she even considered for HOY? She faced older females once set a controlled pace and lost. I don't get it at all. Melatonin was more deserving. Hell so was Frosted. And its not even close. Take a step back and really think about it, even if you love Songbird. Deal in facts. A 3yr old girl who only beat up on a subpar class of 3yr old girls is the 2nd most deserving horse for HOY. And while she was beating up on those 3yr old girls she never really ran fast. Where was her fast race? I still right now don't see it when looking at her pps.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

A grave injustice was done here. 3rd? lol.
Amazing.
I mean I know most here love Chrome and have an issue w/ Bob, but does h2h mean nothing? Does settling it on the track not matter? H2H in the biggest race in America.... Chrome was given an easy lead and was run down on the money fair and square. How could he ever beat him if he couldn't that day? Imagine if anyone pushed Chrome and Arrogate just settled in 3rd or 4th he could have won by 10.
He is the most brilliant horse since Bernardini and was robbed of this award. Its ok though. H2H again in 6 days and he will win again. And one would think that 9f at Gulfstream would be a dream for Chrome, right? Arrogate is clearly a true classic 10f horse. But it wont matter because he oozes class. They had a NYRA calendar give away at OTB today and a contest so it was more crowded then usual. I heard a group of men talking about this race saying Chrome will be a heavy favorite. They went on and on how he is going to be 3-5 and you cant make money betting him. I felt like I was in an alternate universe. If Arrogate isn't favored someone knows something the public doesn't. But I guess hopefully he isn't favored. Maybe people get sentimental and bet Chrome being his last race. I sure hope so.
And I don't even want to get started on how he finished 3rd in the voting. I could write 10 pages on why he was more deserving then Songbird. How was she even considered for HOY? She faced older females once set a controlled pace and lost. I don't get it at all. Melatonin was more deserving. Hell so was Frosted. And its not even close. Take a step back and really think about it, even if you love Songbird. Deal in facts. A 3yr old girl who only beat up on a subpar class of 3yr old girls is the 2nd most deserving horse for HOY. And while she was beating up on those 3yr old girls she never really ran fast. Where was her fast race? I still right now don't see it when looking at her pps.

Oh brother. Better check the votes there rock head.

[blackthroatedwind]

You would definitely be considered " dead on the board."

[Kasept]

As a member of the sport's media, I'm embarrassed and apologize for the ignorance and laziness that saw Klaravich Stables (Seth Klarman)/William Lawrence left out of the Ownership finalists. It's a stunning oversight or slight.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Kasept

As a member of the sport's media, I'm embarrassed and apologize for the ignorance and laziness that saw Klaravich Stables (Seth Klarman)/William Lawrence left out of the Ownership finalists. It's a stunning oversight or slight.

It's embarrassing. Too many irresponsible voters. Not fair to those that pay attention and vote responsibly, but it's absurd that Ramsey got more votes.

[RolloTomasi]

Surprised that Lord Nelson is the 3rd finalist for Older Male.

Granted, they didn't set the world on fire (and its a moot point anyways since California Chrome will win unanimously), but Melatonin won 2 important races (Big Cap, Gold Cup) as did Shaman Ghost (Brooklyn, Woodward) and Hoppertunity (San Antonio, Jockey Club Gold Cup) and Effinex (Oaklawn, Suburban).

Lord Nelson won 3 stakes and I don't think there was a fellow Grade 1 horse in any of those (which makes his Grade 1 status suspect as well). The best horses he beat were Kobe's Back and Ambitious Brew.

[Kasept]

The 2016 Eclipse Awards winners and voting. Scoring represents the first selection of the 248 who submitted ballots:

Horse of the Year: California Chrome, 202; Arrogate, 40; Songbird, 5; Highland Reel, 1.

Two-Year-Old Male: Classic Empire, 248; Not This Time, Practical Joke

Two-Year-Old Filly: Champagne Room, 202; New Money Honey, 21; Lady Aurelia, 11; Pretty City Dancer, 5; Shane’s Girlfriend, 3; Abel Tasman, 2; Miss Sky Warrior, 2; Victory to Victory, 1; Voter Abstentions, 1

Three-Year-Old Male: Arrogate, 243; Exaggerator, 2; Nyquist, 2; Gun Runner, 1.

Three-Year-Old Filly: Songbird, 248; Cathryn Sophia, Queen’s Trust (GB)

Older Dirt Male: California Chrome, 248; Frosted, Lord Nelson

Older Dirt Female: Beholder, 246; Stellar Wind, 2, Cavorting.

Male Sprinter: Drefong, 199; Lord Nelson, 29; A.P. Indian, 20.

Female Sprinter: Finest City, 185; Haveyougoneaway, 20; Paulassilverlining, 13; Taris, 12; Carina Mia, 11; Constellation, 2; Lightstream, 1; Songbird, 1. Voter Abstentions, 3.

Male Turf Horse: Flintshire (GB), 137; Highland Reel (IRE), 76; Tourist, 32; Da Big Hoss, 1. Voter Abstentions, 2

Female Turf Horse: Tepin, 225; Found (IRE), 11; Queen’s Trust (GB), 7; Lady Eli, 2; Miss Temple City, 2; Catch a Glimpse, 1.

Steeplechase Horse: Rawnaq (IRE), 171; Top Striker, 31; Special Skills, 2; Bob Le Beau (IRE), 1; Portrade (IRE), 1. Voter Abstentions, 42.

Owner: Juddmonte Farms, Inc., 134; Kenneth and Sarah Ramsey, 45; Klaravich Stables, Inc., and William Lawrence, 17; Spendthrift Farm, LLC, 17; California Chrome, LLC, 16; Reddam Racing LLC, 4; Fox Hill Farms, Inc. 3; John Oxley, 3; WinStar Farm, 2; End Zone Athletics, 1; Midwest Thoroughbreds, Inc., 1. Voter Abstentions, 5.

Breeder: WinStar Farm, LLC; 164; Clearsky Farms, 62; Juddmonte Farms, Ltd., 4; Darley, 3; Perry Martin and Steve Coburn, 3; Adena Springs, 2; Kenneth and Sarah Ramsey, 1; Machmer Hall, 1. Voter Abstentions, 8.

Trainer: Chad Brown, 208; Bob Baffert, 21; Mark Casse, 11; Art Sherman, 3; Steve Asmussen, 2; Karl Broberg, 1; Todd Pletcher, 1. Voter Abstention, 1.

Jockey: Javier Castellano, 146; Mike Smith, 44; Jose Ortiz, 41; Florent Geroux,12; Irad Ortiz, Jr., 2; Julien Leparoux, 1. Voter Abstentions, 2.

Apprentice Jockey: Luis Ocasio, 182; Lane Luzzi, 34; Eric Cancel, 1; Ashley Castrenze, 1. Voter Abstentions, 30.

In addition to honoring the 17 winners in the horse and human categories, Andrew Beyer, journalist, author and creator of the Beyer Speed Figures, and Steven Crist, racing writer and publisher, will both receive the Eclipse Award of Merit for a lifetime of achievement in the Thoroughbred industry. Paul Matties will receive an Eclipse Award as the 2016 Horseplayer of the Year.