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Old 11-04-2006, 03:48 AM
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Old 11-04-2006, 06:41 AM
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Kobe back with 23.

Lakers 3 and 0.

Only 79 more wins to go undefeated

Finals here we come
Lakers have looked good offensively. Not so good defensively. That Phoenix win is looking less impressive by Utah going into Phoenix and beating the Suns. Can't be mad with 3-0 though. I may have underestimated them. I still think they are going to struggle to make the playoffs though and if they do make it, it will be as a seven or eight seed. I see Sacramento improved with a full year with Artest and the emergence of Kevin Martin. I think Utah will be much improved if they keep Kirilenko and Boozer healthy this year. I think the addition of Derek Fisher also helps them. I think Houston will be better if they can keep Ming and McGrady healthy. I expect Memphis to be down though with Gasol missing the early part of the season and Battier gone but Warrick will take up some of the slack. Also, Stoudamire should be back but they'll miss Bobby Jackson. On the top, u still have Dallas, SA, Phoenix, Clippers, (team from the Northwest Division). That leaves the Lakers battling with Memphis, Utah, Houston, Sac, and Denver for the last spots. We'll see. I do expect to see Kobe try to dominate even more than last year. Knowing the way we've seen Kobe over the years, I am betting that it KILLED him to do all he did last year and not win MVP so I think he's going to try and score 40 a game this year and I don't think that will be in the best interest of the team. The key will be Bynum. If he can give them 12-8, they are a shoe in for the playoffs. And of course, Odom has got to be consistent even when Kobe is on the floor. Stop deferring to Kobe so much and display the skills that, if he brought them every night, would make him arguably a top five player in this league. At least top ten.
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Old 11-07-2006, 12:56 AM
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Lakers have looked good offensively. Not so good defensively. That Phoenix win is looking less impressive by Utah going into Phoenix and beating the Suns. Can't be mad with 3-0 though. I may have underestimated them. I still think they are going to struggle to make the playoffs though and if they do make it, it will be as a seven or eight seed. I see Sacramento improved with a full year with Artest and the emergence of Kevin Martin. I think Utah will be much improved if they keep Kirilenko and Boozer healthy this year. I think the addition of Derek Fisher also helps them. I think Houston will be better if they can keep Ming and McGrady healthy. I expect Memphis to be down though with Gasol missing the early part of the season and Battier gone but Warrick will take up some of the slack. Also, Stoudamire should be back but they'll miss Bobby Jackson. On the top, u still have Dallas, SA, Phoenix, Clippers, (team from the Northwest Division). That leaves the Lakers battling with Memphis, Utah, Houston, Sac, and Denver for the last spots. We'll see. I do expect to see Kobe try to dominate even more than last year. Knowing the way we've seen Kobe over the years, I am betting that it KILLED him to do all he did last year and not win MVP so I think he's going to try and score 40 a game this year and I don't think that will be in the best interest of the team. The key will be Bynum. If he can give them 12-8, they are a shoe in for the playoffs. And of course, Odom has got to be consistent even when Kobe is on the floor. Stop deferring to Kobe so much and display the skills that, if he brought them every night, would make him arguably a top five player in this league. At least top ten.

There is absolutely no excuse for the way he played last night in Seattle. He took SIX shots in the game and four of them were 3pt shots. In the entire first half, he didn't attempt a 2pt shot at all. That's crazy. And the Laker defense has been horrible. They are giving up the fourth most points in the league. They've been playing at a faster pace this year and scoring more points but defense is what's going to be needed to win games and they play none. Seattle just scored 112 and 117 on them in back to back games. The Sonics had 95 at the end of three quarters Sunday. That's not going to get it done.
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Old 11-07-2006, 01:45 AM
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Hey King,

I don't have your (or fupeg's) indurance to go through this for 82 games

I did want to ask you your opinion on something I was thinking about.

Do you think being the BEST player in the leauge is the same as MVP (I don't)?

Would like to know your opinions on both.

I think Kobe is the BEST BB player in the world. The MVP one is to tough for me.
Boss-

This glorious guy is going to do the same thing he does every year with the Lakers. Last year they werent supposed to make the playoffs and of course when they did the criteria for success changed. They are an improving team. They dont even have their starting big men right now. Next year, they will be out from a really bad contract and will actually have some room. And then the run begins. This year, second round.

As for the best BB player, its kobe and Lebron is coming fast. The MVP EVERY year is Shaq.
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Old 11-07-2006, 02:43 AM
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Boss-

This glorious guy is going to do the same thing he does every year with the Lakers. Last year they werent supposed to make the playoffs and of course when they did the criteria for success changed. They are an improving team. They dont even have their starting big men right now. Next year, they will be out from a really bad contract and will actually have some room. And then the run begins. This year, second round.

As for the best BB player, its kobe and Lebron is coming fast. The MVP EVERY year is Shaq.
Just because I make a prediction at the beginning of the season means I have to stick with it once things get rolling. Once a season gets going, u see different things happening that u maybe didn't expect. Last year, I didn't expect for McGrady to miss 35 games and Ming to miss 25. I expected to see a Houston team closer to the one that had battled Dallas in the playoffs the year before. Instead, they didn't even make the playoffs. I didn't expect Boozer to miss 49 games. I didn't expect Minnesota to fall off the map. But those things happened. Just as if Kobe is to go down for 35 games this year, your expectations of the Lakers has to change.

In any case, my criteria for success hasn't changed. When u are the Los Angeles Lakers, your goal is not just to make the playoffs. When u pay a coach $10 million, u aren't just trying to make the playoffs. U expect that u BETTER make it and u expect to do damage.

Last year, I saw a Laker team that was probably the eighth best in the conference. I thought Sac was a better team than them at year's end. This year, I can see the Lakers being better than maybe two of the teams that were better than them last year, Denver and Memphis. That would put them at the 6th spot. But then I think u will have a return to form by Houston and great improvement by Utah. Of course, injuries notwithstanding. I think that puts the Lakers again in that same range they were in last year. I also think that New Orleans will be improved. I just don't see where the Lakers have improved themselves. The only thing could possibly be more experience but u could say that for all of the teams competing for those last three spots. Utah added Derek Fisher and gets back a healthy Boozer. Houston gets back a healthy Ming and McGrady. New Orleans added Stojakovic and Bobby Jackson. What did the Lakers do that comes anywhere close to improving themselves as much as those moves improved those three teams? Radmonovic, Evans, and Farmar?
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Old 11-07-2006, 03:05 AM
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Oh, as for the MVP/best player debate, I've always felt there should be two different awards. I think it's rare that the best player is also the most valuable to his team. I think picking player of the year is a lot easier than picking MVP though. As valuable as Kobe is to the Lakers, is he more important than AI to Philly? Or Carmelo to Denver? Chris Paul to NO? Pierce to Boston? KG to Minnesota? LeBron to Cleveland? Duncan to SA? It's extremely hard.

I think that Kobe is the best one on one player in the league. He can get anywhere on the court and get any shot he wants to. But I think he's far from the most efficient of scorers. He scores the most points but he should. He shoots more than anyone else by far. Look at him compared to James. Kobe shot 350 more times than LeBron. Four more shots a game than LeBron. He shot 139 more 3pt shots than LeBron. Yet his scoring average was only four points more. It's not hard to see how LeBron could have easily scored as much or more per game than Bryant. Kobe averaged 2.4 more ppg than Iverson. That's one basket more per game. It's easy to see how Iverson could take a couple more shots, especially more 3's and get up there where Bryant is. Kobe is just a different kind of scorer. He gets hot and can do anything. And he's more spectacular. But he's not better. And when it comes to adding in rebounding and assists, LeBron is way ahead of Kobe. So if I had a vote for best player, I'd go with LeBron now.
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Old 11-07-2006, 01:54 AM
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OMG, She's BACk........................

Buckle up gang, You're in for a TREAT.

Don't EVER do that to ME again. You've been absent for over two months
Weve got to make some picks boss. Anything for college football saturday?
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