Am I reading this right?

Guys I gotta be honest, I'm only chasing the late races at the FG and the holly pik-6 so I'm watching some football.
I just checked the Aqueduct 4th race payouts out on equibase and if those are indeed correct there needs to be some sort of investigation. That exacta is just horrendous, and the trifecta is laughable. Can anyone explain this to me coherently?

http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbQ...RN=4&STYLE=EQB

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

it seems mike there are a few 123 tri and ext box players..

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

it seems mike there are a few 123 tri and ext box players..

LOL!!!
I realize that a few guys do that, but this is wild!!!!
If I had played that race and caught that tri, I'd be absolutely insane!!!
Thats gotta be one of the worst payouts I ever saw at a major thoroughbred track with large pools.
Looks like something you would see where the announcer says "they're off and pacing and on the outside the 2-5 shot favorite makes a break!!!"

I was at Calder saturday , and the only bet I hit all day was a similar odds type exacta as the Aqueduct race. It was the 2nd race on 12/2/06, a 7.90/1 over a 50/1 and paid $650 for the exacta and $3900 for the tri. it was a field of 11 maidens on the turf. When I saw the exacta of the Big A race, I thought I needed a pair of new specs and thought , yeah, thats why I dont play the NY inner track. I smell sulphur.

http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/insta...6-12-02&race=2

I was always under the impression that the trifecta will pay anywhere between 3 and 4 times exacta. In this particular case the tri payout seems about right based on what the exacta paid. I will typically look at the exacta payouts to see if something weird is going on. In this example, the exacta will pay would have shown me that someone is playing this exacta combo. I would love to go back and see what the exacta will pay was on the 2 favorites. If I see a low exacta probable on two horses with huge odds and combine that with a high exacta probable payout on the two favorites then that tells me that I need to look at those two high odds horses again for my win bet.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I was always under the impression that the trifecta will pay anywhere between 3 and 4 times exacta. In this particular case the tri payout seems about right based on what the exacta paid. I will typically look at the exacta payouts to see if something weird is going on. In this example, the exacta will pay would have shown me that someone is playing this exacta combo. I would love to go back and see what the exacta will pay was on the 2 favorites. If I see a low exacta probable on two horses with huge odds and combine that with a high exacta probable payout on the two favorites then that tells me that I need to look at those two high odds horses again for my win bet.

This is completely off base, it really depends on WHO finishes 3rd (and, who finishes 2nd!).
If an even money wins, a 5/2 finishes 2nd, and a 5/1 finishes 3rd in a 6 horse field, yeah you're probably going to get $12 for the exacta and $36 for the tri, but for an extreme example in the Derby the exacta paid $600 and the tri paid $10,000, with a very logical 15/1 (win odds) shot finishing third. He was "worth" 17/1 to show in the tri pool...

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by philcski

This is completely off base, it really depends on WHO finishes 3rd (and, who finishes 2nd!).
If an even money wins, a 5/2 finishes 2nd, and a 5/1 finishes 3rd in a 6 horse field, yeah you're probably going to get $12 for the exacta and $36 for the tri, but for an extreme example in the Derby the exacta paid $600 and the tri paid $10,000, with a very logical 15/1 (win odds) shot finishing third. He was "worth" 17/1 to show in the tri pool...

Yeah, I missed the exacta and tri because of Bluegrass Cat, but my saver bets with Barbaro to win and Steppy WPS helped me to break even.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Yeah, I missed the exacta and tri because of Bluegrass Cat, but my saver bets with Barbaro to win and Steppy WPS helped me to break even.

My rule of crossing out the Blue Grass performance of every runner in the Derby paid me off this year on BG Cat. He was my last inclusion in the exacta/tri i had constructed...

Originally Posted by philcski

This is completely off base, it really depends on WHO finishes 3rd (and, who finishes 2nd!).
If an even money wins, a 5/2 finishes 2nd, and a 5/1 finishes 3rd in a 6 horse field, yeah you're probably going to get $12 for the exacta and $36 for the tri, but for an extreme example in the Derby the exacta paid $600 and the tri paid $10,000, with a very logical 15/1 (win odds) shot finishing third. He was "worth" 17/1 to show in the tri pool...

That is true. I guess sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I am not a big tri player so I really dont pay that much attention.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You know I was thinking the same thing. The only thing I can think of is the exacta and tri was 2-3-1, and I know a few people that box 1,2,3 every race. Even so, it still makes very little sense.

You think enough guys do that a number at a track with pools that size in a ten horse field could pay that?
This smells incredibly bad.

[GPK]

even more distrubing was it was an 11 horse field...not like it was a 6-7 horse field...

Havent seen the PP's, but how does Jerkens/Coa get away at 10-1?

[ArlJim78]

I'm PO'd cause I had the two on top of 1 and 9 for exacta and tri, so the 60:1 3 horse killed all that.

The payoff on the tri does seem low. My only theory is that since the race was absent a big favorite, most tri bettors had spread out much more than normal.

Or

It was something fishy!

The price on the Jerkens/Coa horse was a surprise, The works jumped off of the page.

[SniperSB23]

1,2,3 tri box strikes again in the 6th.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

1,2,3 tri box strikes again in the 6th.

i can just hear the chatter at OTB's across the land, "I'm playing 1,2,3 they're coming in all over today"

[GPK]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

i can just hear the chatter at OTB's across the land, "I'm playing 1,2,3 they're coming in all over today"

Dems my numbas...Dems my numbas!!!