CONTEST/SYMPOSIUM: SA Carryover

[Kasept]

As mentioned in Euro's Santa Anita Carryover thread, we're going to run a contest and 'thread symposium' on the monster P6 Wednesday at Arcadia.

Contest part is simple:

Spend MINIMUM $2,000-MAXIMUM $2,500..

Play one ticket or multiple tickets in the expense range..

Entries must be time-stamped by 30 minutes before post of SA 3rd.. No editing of plays..

Derby Trail Prize pack for P6 hit.. ATRAB t-shirts for 5 of 6 hits..


This thread can serve as the Symposium Thread while there will be a seperate Contest Entry thread... DRF's Andy Serling (our own BTW) will lead discussion/answer questions on the Symposium Thread about ticket structure, P6 strategies...

Enjoy...

[Sightseek]

Neat idea! I'm pretty much clueless, but I'll try at least.

[skippy3481]

sightseek we can team up surely our limited knowledge will allow us to hit like at least 1 race

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

sightseek we can team up surely our limited knowledge will allow us to hit like at least 1 race

The multi-ticket thing is what confuses me, but I wouldn't even know how to word a question on it. Philski explained and showed his ticket once on a forum I used to post more on and I still have nightmares about all of the numbers. The scary thing is I do a lot with numbers in my daily job.

[blackthroatedwind]

The gist of multi-tickets is to allow yourself a good chance to hit the Pick-6 if you are " very " right in five races and wrong in the other race, or maybe even four races if you are spending a lot of money.

Imagine you play the Pick-6 and in the first leg you think two horses look very strong and if you were going to spend a little more money you see a third you would at least like to use. Well, as you prefer the first two horses, you would not be spending your money well if you used this third idea for the same total dollars you used the on your " main " two selections. Thus you construct multiple tickets where on perhaps one major ticket you use all three but on smaller tickets you only use the two " main " selctions.

It's obviously more complicated as you go through more races but we can certainly discuss that. The basic formula is you have three lists, A horses, B horses and C horses. Every race CAN, but does not have to, have horses in each category. The construction from there is a MAIN ticket which includes A and B horses from every race and backup tickets which includes the C horses from one race and only the A horses from every other race. If you have C horses in each race you will have six back-up tickets.

The above can be further complicated with double backups as well. But, for now, we will stick to the single back-up concept.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The gist of multi-tickets is to allow yourself a good chance to hit the Pick-6 if you are " very " right in five races and wrong in the other race, or maybe even four races if you are spending a lot of money.

Imagine you play the Pick-6 and in the first leg you think two horses look very strong and if you were going to spend a little more money you see a third you would at least like to use. Well, as you prefer the first two horses, you would not be spending your money well if you used this third idea for the same total dollars you used the on your " main " two selections. Thus you construct multiple tickets where on perhaps one major ticket you use all three but on smaller tickets you only use the two " main " selctions.

It's obviously more complicated as you go through more races but we can certainly discuss that. The basic formula is you have three lists, A horses, B horses and C horses. Every race CAN, but does not have to, have horses in each category. The construction from there is a MAIN ticket which includes A and B horses from every race and backup tickets which includes the C horses from one race and only the A horses from every other race. If you have C horses in each race you will have six back-up tickets.

The above can be further complicated with double backups as well. But, for now, we will stick to the single back-up concept.

Thanks for the further explaination.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The gist of multi-tickets is to allow yourself a good chance to hit the Pick-6 if you are " very " right in five races and wrong in the other race, or maybe even four races if you are spending a lot of money.

Imagine you play the Pick-6 and in the first leg you think two horses look very strong and if you were going to spend a little more money you see a third you would at least like to use. Well, as you prefer the first two horses, you would not be spending your money well if you used this third idea for the same total dollars you used the on your " main " two selections. Thus you construct multiple tickets where on perhaps one major ticket you use all three but on smaller tickets you only use the two " main " selctions.

It's obviously more complicated as you go through more races but we can certainly discuss that. The basic formula is you have three lists, A horses, B horses and C horses. Every race CAN, but does not have to, have horses in each category. The construction from there is a MAIN ticket which includes A and B horses from every race and backup tickets which includes the C horses from one race and only the A horses from every other race. If you have C horses in each race you will have six back-up tickets.

The above can be further complicated with double backups as well. But, for now, we will stick to the single back-up concept.

My main confusion when trying to structure tickets like this is which horses to put in the B and C category. For instance, what category would you put these following examples in:

Horse 1 - First time turf starter that doesn't look particularly good unless he improves on the turf but has Prado aboard.

Horse 2 - 25/1 shot that you think is a huge overlay at those odds.

Horse 3 - 3/1 shot that you don't like at all.

Is 1 an example of what sort of horse you want on your C ticket or should that be a B? Do you play 3 on your C ticket or not at all?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The gist of multi-tickets is to allow yourself a good chance to hit the Pick-6 if you are " very " right in five races and wrong in the other race, or maybe even four races if you are spending a lot of money.

Imagine you play the Pick-6 and in the first leg you think two horses look very strong and if you were going to spend a little more money you see a third you would at least like to use. Well, as you prefer the first two horses, you would not be spending your money well if you used this third idea for the same total dollars you used the on your " main " two selections. Thus you construct multiple tickets where on perhaps one major ticket you use all three but on smaller tickets you only use the two " main " selctions.

It's obviously more complicated as you go through more races but we can certainly discuss that. The basic formula is you have three lists, A horses, B horses and C horses. Every race CAN, but does not have to, have horses in each category. The construction from there is a MAIN ticket which includes A and B horses from every race and backup tickets which includes the C horses from one race and only the A horses from every other race. If you have C horses in each race you will have six back-up tickets.

The above can be further complicated with double backups as well. But, for now, we will stick to the single back-up concept.

Andy, it's probably beating an old issue, but can you elaborate on HOW this works a little bit more. It's one of the things that has confused the hell out of me for the past few year. No matter how many times I look at how someone structures a ticket in this way (multiple tickets), I guess I just haven't grasped the logic or the mechanics of it.

Maybe I still won't get it, but you're doing a generally good job explaining other things, so I thought I'd see if you could take a few minutes and try to lay out, say a pick-3 ticket using that formula just to try to knock it into my head.

Thanks.