First Crop Sleepers

[TBJUNKY]

Any thoughts on the biggest sleeper for first crop sires this year???? I think Aldebaren will improve his mares the most..............

[citycat]

The Zavata yearlings looked very nice at last years Keeneland sales. They were going for alot more than his stud fee. I will certainly be watching how they fair on the track.

Not a sleeper but overall the Vindication babies were the most impressive looking of all the first crop sires at last years sale.

[jjf1031]

Hold That Tiger

[Linny]

Originally Posted by jjf1031

Hold That Tiger

A Hold That Tiger won a training race at Aiken early this week. She's a Dogwood filly named Tigeroo. Todd Pletcher will get her at KEE in a few weeks.

[jjf1031]

Originally Posted by Linny

A Hold That Tiger won a training race at Aiken early this week. She's a Dogwood filly named Tigeroo. Todd Pletcher will get her at KEE in a few weeks.

Think his babies will do well and story is good to hear. Was a big fan of him in his forays over here as 2 and 3YO and think he could be a sleeper at stud

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by jjf1031

Think his babies will do well and story is good to hear. Was a big fan of him in his forays over here as 2 and 3YO and think he could be a sleeper at stud

Do you see him as a sleeper, though? I would think that their expectations for him would be fairly high considering he's a half to Editor's Note.

One that I see as a sleeper is Read the Footnotes.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by TBJUNKY

Any thoughts on the biggest sleeper for first crop sires this year???? I think Aldebaren will improve his mares the most..............

I wouldn't be surprised if the following sires' stud fees were raised next year...

Harlan's Holiday, Posse, Lightnin N Thunder, and Hook and Ladder.

The Empire Makers can run, but his stud fee is already really high.

I think that the biggest sleeper will be Harlan's Holiday if you correlate his actual stud fee to how good his two year olds look and to how much they are going for in the sales ring.

[smuthg]

When does Newfoundland's first crop hit the track?

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by smuthg

When does Newfoundland's first crop hit the track?

should be 08 I think...think he stood his first season in 05

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

should be 08 I think...think he stood his first season in 05

thanks. I think he should be a quality and "value" sire...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by TBJUNKY

Any thoughts on the biggest sleeper for first crop sires this year???? I think Aldebaren will improve his mares the most..............

Horses that stand for $50000 are usually not considered sleepers.

[sumitas]

My sleeper is Desert Warrior.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/desert+warrior
http://thoroughbredtimes.com/stallio...ion_no=5339453

[brianwspencer]

I think that for his $4,000 (?) stud fee, Freefourinternet might be a halfway decent sire.

I'm looking forward to seeing some of them race.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I think that for his $4,000 (?) stud fee, Freefourinternet might be a halfway decent sire.

I'm looking forward to seeing some of them race.

If they're anything like their pops, they'll win a some graded stakes at 45-1 and higher. I don't think his babies start racing until '08 or '09 though..

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

If they're anything like their pops, they'll win a some graded stakes at 45-1 and higher. I don't think his babies start racing until '08 or '09 though..

As a person who trained and at one time owned a part of him, I think that he has virtually no chance to be a good stallion.

[banter]

Let me add the following names into the "sleeper" mix:

D'Wildcat, Sunday Break, Trust N Luck, Rock Slide, Van Nistelrooy, Whywhywhy, Cactus Ridge, Decarchy, and Wiseman's Ferry. Even relatively obscure horses like Greatness at Adena-FL might pop up with some good sire numbers.

Of those, I like the chances best of Van Nistelrooy, Whywhywhy, and Decarchy. They have fantastic female taillines.

Of course, it would please me no end if Say Florida Sandy did well as a freshman sire. It would be great for the sport if good-looking hardknockers like him thrived at stud

[sumitas]

here's some news on Desert Warrior speed...
http://www.nybreds.com/frames/FS_otherpress.html

Off topic but what about Lawrence Roman comments that he will pay people to send suitable mares to Lawrence the Roman. "If it's a mare approved by me, I'd be willing to pay $2,500 to $10,000,". Will this be shown in DRF as a negative stud fee.