Baffert Fined

[sumitas]

Geesh, he was very edgey on Derby Day.

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=34109

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

you know who i am...lol..why bring that bust out in with ya the stench of loser should have doomed bob and john.....

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

you know who i am...lol..why bring that bust out in with ya the stench of loser should have doomed bob and john.....

lol. Baffert don't need no steenking badges.

[Cajungator26]

The security guards get like that in the garage too...

You could be Jeff Gordon and they won't let you in without proper credentials. I don't blame Baffert.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

The security guards get like that in the garage too...

You could be Jeff Gordon and they won't let you in without proper credentials. I don't blame Baffert.

Its rather ridiculous. In order to get someone in the paddock you have to get them a paddock pass. YOu are the trainer of three horses in the Derby. You are trying to train the horses, and accomodate the media with non stop interviews and also deal with your business. You have a bunch of friends and guests with you and you blow the headcount by a few. In order to get the passes in the first place you have to call the horseman's liaison, then go get em, then try and have them passed out to friends and guests who are scattered all over town at different locations. So you blow the heacount by a couple, or you dont have the paddock passes with you, you have accomodated the press all week and you try and bring in a guest with you to the paddock of a race where you have a horse running.
This sound like a reason to get mad if you are baffert and someone says no? Give me a break. Security is gladly had at the racetrack and everyone appreciates the job these guys do. BUt to tell a guy with three horses in teh race who is standing in front of you telling you this guy is with me, that he can't go in. Yeah, I'd throw a fit as well.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Its rather ridiculous. In order to get someone in the paddock you have to get them a paddock pass. YOu are the trainer of three horses in the Derby. You are trying to train the horses, and accomodate the media with non stop interviews and also deal with your business. You have a bunch of friends and guests with you and you blow the headcount by a few. In order to get the passes in the first place you have to call the horseman's liaison, then go get em, then try and have them passed out to friends and guests who are scattered all over town at different locations. So you blow the heacount by a couple, or you dont have the paddock passes with you, you have accomodated the press all week and you try and bring in a guest with you to the paddock of a race where you have a horse running.
This sound like a reason to get mad if you are baffert and someone says no? Give me a break. Security is gladly had at the racetrack and everyone appreciates the job these guys do. BUt to tell a guy with three horses in teh race who is standing in front of you telling you this guy is with me, that he can't go in. Yeah, I'd throw a fit as well.

Yep, I would too... and have. LOL

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Yep, I would too... and have. LOL

Baffert wasn't wrong. He had every right to explode as he did. CD obviously didnt do the job well enough to make sure his guests were accomodated. Could he have handled it better? perhaps. But when you are entering the paddock to saddle three horses for the Ky Derby and are nervous to start with, does that hassle seem like a lot of fun to you? I'd think that some track exec or head of security could easily have come over and made a judgement call and just said let them through. Sorry, I don't see this as anything that wouldn't infuriate anyone else.

Race track security has increased lately due to various reasons but whats been going on has been highly insulting to owners and trainers. Owners get a lot of joy when they run horses and take family and guests with them into the paddock to share the excitement. Telling a guy who invested millions into the game that his friend cant come in with him is about the biggest slap in the face I can imagine. Trainers also may meet potential owners and want to bring them to the paddock so they can see how exciting it is. To tell these guys that they cant bring people in with them without a badge or pass is really a pain in the ass. You are talking about the paddock and lost of security around and what are the chances that an owner or trainer is going to bring someone else in WITH them who is going to cause a problem? All they wanna do is stand there and admire the horses and the atmosphere.
I can understand the backstretch security being so steep, with all the controvbersy lately about doping or tampering it makes sense to not let people in who dont have any business on the backside. People are working there and trying to do jobs, its not a place for tourists. But the paddock is another story. If they are going to have such stringent rules than the track executives really ought to hire a few more liaisons to strictly meet the owners and trainers needs. Have them ask the trainer or owner on the way to teh paddock how many passes they need for the race and hand them out.
trainers and owners often have unexpected guests show up for a day of racing and expecting them to have a headcount in the morning, make a call, go and pick them up, then pass them out is ridiculous, who has the time to work and do that as well? Just make the owner and trainer responsible for the guests and make them show their badge to someone at the paddock entrance and request as many passes as they need for their guests on the way in. Doesn't this sound a lot more accomodating and sensible to anyone?

Originally Posted by oracle80

Race track security has increased lately due to various reasons but whats been going on has been highly insulting to owners and trainers. Owners get a lot of joy when they run horses and take family and guests with them into the paddock to share the excitement. Telling a guy who invested millions into the game that his friend cant come in with him is about the biggest slap in the face I can imagine. Trainers also may meet potential owners and want to bring them to the paddock so they can see how exciting it is. To tell these guys that they cant bring people in with them without a badge or pass is really a pain in the ass. You are talking about the paddock and lost of security around and what are the chances that an owner or trainer is going to bring someone else in WITH them who is going to cause a problem? All they wanna do is stand there and admire the horses and the atmosphere.
I can understand the backstretch security being so steep, with all the controvbersy lately about doping or tampering it makes sense to not let people in who dont have any business on the backside. People are working there and trying to do jobs, its not a place for tourists. But the paddock is another story. If they are going to have such stringent rules than the track executives really ought to hire a few more liaisons to strictly meet the owners and trainers needs. Have them ask the trainer or owner on the way to teh paddock how many passes they need for the race and hand them out.
trainers and owners often have unexpected guests show up for a day of racing and expecting them to have a headcount in the morning, make a call, go and pick them up, then pass them out is ridiculous, who has the time to work and do that as well? Just make the owner and trainer responsible for the guests and make them show their badge to someone at the paddock entrance and request as many passes as they need for their guests on the way in. Doesn't this sound a lot more accomodating and sensible to anyone?

Yes. But this is after the event.

Baffert does not need to get arrogant with a poor security guard just doing his job. Heck the guy could get fired... he is told dont let people in without credentials... except if its Baffert????

Bull puckey. Baffert should have followed the rules like everyone else. And he knows it as he has apologized. Cant stand this arrogance.

[Danzig]

well, i read the article, and then just the first few posts, and it looks like i will be in the minority here.

security guards are there for a reason, and are there to do their job. you really expect every minimum wage paid guard out there knows every trainer by sight? (or every driver in nascar, since it was mentioned) you have to have credentials, get them. don't have them, don't pull your 'i'm so special, you're nothing' crap. that's ridiculous. it's one of my pet peeves, people who think rules apply to everyone else, but not themselves, because they're 'special'.

"don't you know who i am?"

sounds like maybe you're an *******!

Some people are getting this confused with their distaste for law enforcement. Its about the way you treat people that are doing their job. The automatic picture appears to be some guy with an authority complex that wants to tell people what to do gets in Bafferts way. A wannabe cop... That is not necessarily an accurate picture.

DTS.
When you are teaching and you get a code word to close the door to your room, you close the door to your room. You have been told that it might be an emergency, could be some idiot with a gun walking around, and your priority is the kids. So the fact that you follow this very sound simple rule does not make you an, "I just did what I was told Nazi". Thats silly.

So it is possible some guy is told Do Not let people in without the proper credentials. He does not know who they are, and he knows his job is to let only certain people in to avoid who knows what. People are making this into an out of control security guard thing... and it does not read that way.

Hell, my wife could make my house off limit to strangers by hiring a security guard and forget to give me "credentials" and I could be told do not enter. If I knew the guy was payed by my wife, and did not know me from Adam, I would not automatically accost him.

Blame the track or whoever else responsible for organizing credentials. Why blame the guy doing his job? I do not get the reasoning.
My take: Baffert did not show grace under pressure and he understands this.

Maybe I should stop now and follow Jonathan Swift's very accurate words:

Do not attempt to reason a man out of something he did not reason himself into.

[onebadbeast]

If I Have To See One More Video And Bob Baffert And His Precious Bodie..i Will Puke! He Parades Around Like A Guy With A Danny O Day Puppet. Nobody Cares About Your Precious Bodie, Just Your Horses Bob.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by onebadbeast

If I Have To See One More Video And Bob Baffert And His Precious Bodie..i Will Puke! He Parades Around Like A Guy With A Danny O Day Puppet. Nobody Cares About Your Precious Bodie, Just Your Horses Bob.

Onebadbeast,
You must be drinking.
If you take sides against a trainer that is concerned about three horses that are about to run...well, you missed your brain.
Yeah, yeah, yeah...
Put a bright shiney badge on a rent-a-cop...
POOOF!
All of a sudden...he's the one that's important...after all, he's running the show!
FEEL THE POWER!!!!!!

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Onebadbeast,
You must be drinking.
If you take sides against a trainer that is concerned about three horses that are about to run...well, you missed your brain.
Yeah, yeah, yeah...
Put a bright shiney badge on a rent-a-cop...
POOOF!
All of a sudden...he's the one that's important...after all, he's running the show!
FEEL THE POWER!!!!!!

I'm sure that Miller had been drinking and had no business in the paddock. Baffert was out of line and I think he needs to have some anger management training.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

You all obviously ignored my post on how some law enforcement officers can be. I am right. If anything, I can say that I know what I am talking about in this department. I am not saying that this is what happened in this particular situation, but it could of been. Of course the media ONLY made Baffert look bad because heaven forbid, they should make ex-cops look bad. You can't trust the media. There is a lot more to this story than the media released.

Baffert is loved by Louisville Police. Ever since Pegram named Captain Steve after the policeman that saved him at the airport for carrying a gun, the Louisville police and Baffert have been tight. Sounds like the entire thing was blown out of proportion.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

You all obviously ignored my post on how some law enforcement officers can be. I am right. If anything, I can say that I know what I am talking about in this department. I am not saying that this is what happened in this particular situation, but it could of been. Of course the media ONLY made Baffert look bad because heaven forbid, they should make ex-cops look bad. You can't trust the media. There is a lot more to this story than the media released.

there's bad in every line of work, ky. and of course you wouldn't be the least biased on this particular subject, right? because you had a bad experience, i suppose everyone has or will....
prisons are filled with the innocent, just go ask them. all of them.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

You all obviously ignored my post on how some law enforcement officers can be. I am right. If anything, I can say that I know what I am talking about in this department. I am not saying that this is what happened in this particular situation, but it could of been. Of course the media ONLY made Baffert look bad because heaven forbid, they should make ex-cops look bad. You can't trust the media. There is a lot more to this story than the media released.

How in the hell do you know that there is a lot more to this story? Were you there?

Are you the same girl who had a boyfriend or fiance' that rammed a police car or something?