GW I stand behind my man

This is too much folks. George put too many friends in high places and is fiercely loyal even when they really fkup. There has got to be some confidence in the men you pick, Not just he is a long time friend. So many bad appointments.

How in God's name can one have their Attorney General change his mind about what happened 3 or 4 times. ANy prosecutor knows when the story changes so many times something is wrong. The Republicans need to come clean and put everything on the table or they are going to lose every election known to man. So many incompetent idealogues... I thought that was the Democrats way of doing things.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This is too much folks. George put too many friends in high places and is fiercely loyal even when they really fkup. There has got to be some confidence in the men you pick, Not just he is a long time friend. So many bad appointments.

How in God's name can one have their Attorney General change his mind about what happened 3 or 4 times.

He's not changing his mind; he's trying to see which lie will go over. I love how his lawyer, Monica Goodling, is pleading the Fifth at the upcoming Senate hearings. I thought one didn't take the Fifth if one hadn't done anything wrong...

I'm glad to see this isn't going away, though I must admit I tend to agree with Tim F. of Balloon-Juice's Second Law of Interchat, which is: As online discussions of Republican transgressions lengthen the probability of an attempted Clinton Did It! distraction approaches one.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

He's not changing his mind; he's trying to see which lie will go over. I love how his lawyer, Monica Goodling, is pleading the Fifth at the upcoming Senate hearings. I thought one didn't take the Fifth if one hadn't done anything wrong...
I'm glad to see this isn't going away, though I must admit I tend to agree with Tim F. of Balloon-Juice's Second Law of Interchat, which is: As online discussions of Republican transgressions lengthen the probability of an attempted Clinton Did It! distraction approaches one.

the fifth amendment is a right under the constitution, it's there for a reason. and using it should not necessarily be a way for someone to point a finger and say 'see'. after all, these days when you say i don't remember, you take a chance of being charged with lying. it's not an admission of guilt by any means.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

the fifth amendment is a right under the constitution, it's there for a reason. and using it should not necessarily be a way for someone to point a finger and say 'see'. after all, these days when you say i don't remember, you take a chance of being charged with lying. it's not an admission of guilt by any means.

I'm well aware, but in light of the Adminstration yammering that they did nothing wrong, having one of the first people brought in to testify to the Senate immediately go for the Fifth sure doesn't help-- any more than Gonzales' claiming he knew nothing about the firings being directly contradicted by his own earlier communications with his staff, and the fact that when the Department turned over their emails, that the three weeks directly preceding the firings were conveniently missing. I must say, Republicans are loyal-- in the wake of Iraq, Katrina and this, the fact that 29 percent still think Georgie is doing a good job is testament to how well they march in lockstep. Believe me, Dems are much more likely to turn on their own- sometimes even when our own are doing a good job. Which, of course, is part of our problem.

[GenuineRisk]

Here's more, from balloon-juice's Tim F. Maybe he's channelling DTS in the first paragraph? :

<<Centipedes and scandals. Revisit a short vignette that I wrote about a week ago:

I really hate centipedes. Spiders are cool, but there’s something about centipedes that drives me up the wall. So when those long-legged house centipedes show up in my bathroom I don’t want to get close enough to squash them. Instead I hit it with the Tilex spray (active ingredient: bleach). Sensing that it’s ****ed, the centipede runs around like mad for a short while, occasionally jettisoning a twitching leg. I guess the idea is that whatever attacked it will get distracted by the leg long enough to find some kind of shelter. Lizards do this with their tails, but centipedes make a better example because they can dump a decent number of legs in the course of a chase.

Kyle Sampson was the first twitching leg. Monica Goodling clearly jettisoned herself to get a better shake out of her inevitable scapegoating. Who will the White House jettison next?

Meet Deputy Attorney General Thomas McNulty.

The firestorm over the fired U.S. attorneys was sparked last month when a top Justice Department official ignored guidance from the White House and rejected advice from senior administration lawyers over his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

The official, Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty, ignored White House Counsel Harriet Miers and senior lawyers in the Justice Department when he told the committee last month of specific reasons why the administration fired seven U.S. attorneys — and appeared to acknowledge for the first time that politics was behind one dismissal. McNulty’s testimony directly conflicted with the approach Miers advised, according to an unreleased internal White House e-mail described to ABC News. According to that e-mail, sources said, Miers said the administration should take the firm position that it would not comment on personnel issues.

When the Bushies dump the #2 official at DOJ they don’t have very many legs left.>>

Though, on some level, I start to see why Bush tried to get Miers stuffed upstairs to the Supreme Court, since she appears to be pretty deep in this, too.

[SentToStud]

It's a matter of when, not if, Gonzales is gone.

Until he goes, Gonzales will be the focus of the criticism and attention. That's why we're seeing the bad news trickle out as it has. While he's still around, the WH can control the story a bit better. Once he's gone, the focus turns fully to the WH (Rove, Miers, GWB). As soon as he's of no use to the cause, he'll be gone.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Here's more, from balloon-juice's Tim F. Maybe he's channelling DTS in the first paragraph? :

<<Centipedes and scandals. Revisit a short vignette that I wrote about a week ago:

I really hate centipedes. Spiders are cool, but there’s something about centipedes that drives me up the wall. So when those long-legged house centipedes show up in my bathroom I don’t want to get close enough to squash them. Instead I hit it with the Tilex spray (active ingredient: bleach). Sensing that it’s ****ed, the centipede runs around like mad for a short while, occasionally jettisoning a twitching leg. I guess the idea is that whatever attacked it will get distracted by the leg long enough to find some kind of shelter. Lizards do this with their tails, but centipedes make a better example because they can dump a decent number of legs in the course of a chase.

Kyle Sampson was the first twitching leg. Monica Goodling clearly jettisoned herself to get a better shake out of her inevitable scapegoating. Who will the White House jettison next?

Meet Deputy Attorney General Thomas McNulty.

The firestorm over the fired U.S. attorneys was sparked last month when a top Justice Department official ignored guidance from the White House and rejected advice from senior administration lawyers over his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

The official, Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty, ignored White House Counsel Harriet Miers and senior lawyers in the Justice Department when he told the committee last month of specific reasons why the administration fired seven U.S. attorneys — and appeared to acknowledge for the first time that politics was behind one dismissal. McNulty’s testimony directly conflicted with the approach Miers advised, according to an unreleased internal White House e-mail described to ABC News. According to that e-mail, sources said, Miers said the administration should take the firm position that it would not comment on personnel issues.

When the Bushies dump the #2 official at DOJ they don’t have very many legs left.>>

Though, on some level, I start to see why Bush tried to get Miers stuffed upstairs to the Supreme Court, since she appears to be pretty deep in this, too.

GR,
Since you mentioned me, I'll weigh in.
No, I haven't posted much here lately.
I had a problem with some folks attacking me when I reacted to blatantly racist comments posted here. I was also reminded that this is a "horse racing" board by one of the moderators.
I respected those requests, though not the attacks.
So, back to the "topic" of the thread.

It seems to me that the one invoking the 5th amendment has not been charged with a crime. Precedent establishes that this can only be invoked for such cause. She first needs to answer the subpeona that will be issued, and then respond to questions. Absent of criminal accusation, Ms Goodling has no right to not incriminate herself.
The entire charade is easily seen by those that are capable. When the president states that he wants the American people to know the entire truth, but only within closed doors, without sworn testimony, and without transcript,
it gives the appearance of hiding exactly the same truth that he endorses.

Now I'll again "lurk", as I don't wish to respond to venomous pm's for the blind and bigoted.

Link...
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/013272.php

DTS