Dominican breeding?

[Uncle Daddy]

Am I alone in not geeting a handle on the breeding for Dominican to possibly handle 10f?

I consider the Tomlinson, dual qualifiers and center of distribution to get some feel for the obvious. Only a few could i put in a definative collumn of YES or NO WAY. Most others are a question and probably more about fitness level.

I am ready to ask Doctor Lauren Stitch.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Uncle Daddy

Am I alone in not geeting a handle on the breeding for Dominican to possibly handle 10f?

I consider the Tomlinson, dual qualifiers and center of distribution to get some feel for the obvious. Only a few could i put in a definative collumn of YES or NO WAY. Most others are a question and probably more about fitness level.

I am ready to ask Doctor Lauren Stitch.

Ignore that crap. El Corredor was a sprinter/miler (a very good one at that), but having Dixieland Band underneath should make sure 10F is in his reach. It'll be stretching it, but think about the horses that have won the Derby the last 5 years that "couldn't get the distance":
Our Emblem x Lord at War
Distorted Humor x Slewacide
Elusive Quality x Smile
Holy Bull x Stop the Music
Dynaformer x Carson City

So out of the 5, only Giacomo had "true" distance (and you could even argue that Holy Bull was truly an incredible miler that could stretch his ability.)

If the race works in his favor and he gets a good trip, he should be fine.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by philcski

Ignore that crap. El Corredor was a sprinter/miler (a very good one at that), but having Dixieland Band underneath should make sure 10F is in his reach. It'll be stretching it, but think about the horses that have won the Derby the last 5 years that "couldn't get the distance":
Our Emblem x Lord at War
Distorted Humor x Slewacide
Elusive Quality x Smile
Holy Bull x Stop the Music
Dynaformer x Carson City

So out of the 5, only Giacomo had "true" distance (and you could even argue that Holy Bull was truly an incredible miler that could stretch his ability.)

If the race works in his favor and he gets a good trip, he should be fine.

I agree with this for the most part, although I think you could certainly say that Babaro had a good distance pedigree.
In general I think it would be foolish to IGNORE pedigree (as some people do) in a situation where horses are all attempting to go 10F for the first time, but it is only one of many tools.
Dominican's sire was a miler, so I wouldn't say the 10f will help him exactly, but his dam-side (generally considered the more important side in terms of stamina) is plenty strong to keep him from being a "pedigree toss."
Uncle Daddy, If you like using pedigree to make your Derby selections, you probably want to look at Hard Spun. His dam-side is loaded with staying power (Turkoman, Roberto, Alydar) and his sire has already sired a 3yo classic winner (along with about 4 billion other stakes winners). Hard Spun has a great "Derby pedigree."
But I still don't think I am going to use him in the race.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I agree with this for the most part, although I think you could certainly say that Babaro had a good distance pedigree.
In general I think it would be foolish to IGNORE pedigree (as some people do) in a situation where horses are all attempting to go 10F for the first time, but it is only one of many tools.
Dominican's sire was a miler, so I wouldn't say the 10f will help him exactly, but his dam-side (generally considered the more important side in terms of stamina) is plenty strong to keep him from being a "pedigree toss."
Uncle Daddy, If you like using pedigree to make your Derby selections, you probably want to look at Hard Spun. His dam-side is loaded with staying power (Turkoman, Roberto, Alydar) and his sire has already sired a 3yo classic winner (along with about 4 billion other stakes winners). Hard Spun has a great "Derby pedigree."
But I still don't think I am going to use him in the race.

That is among the many things I like about Hard Spun, but not the basis for my reason to have him as my top selection at this point...
I agree you cannot IGNORE it completely, however, you are doing it the correct way, not this chef-de-race dosage BS!

[JJP]

Sammy Sosa has Dominican breeding.....

[Bogey]

Originally Posted by JJP

Sammy Sosa has Dominican breeding.....

Sosa spelled backwards is Asos

[moke0043]

Originally Posted by JJP

Sammy Sosa has Dominican breeding.....

LMAO!!!!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by JJP

Sammy Sosa has Dominican breeding.....

I laughed.

And speaking of people from the sporting world....Domincan's 4th dam just so happens to be Chris Evert.

The equine version of Chris Evert won the filly triple crown, and is in the thoroughbred racing Hall of Fame. She had enough endurance to win the 12 furlong Coaching Club American Oaks. She finished 3rd against boys in the Travers.

Chris Evert was the 2nd dam of Chief's Crown, who like Domincan, won the Blue Grass. CC also won the BC Juvenile, and was on the board in all three triple crown races, before a 4th in the BC Classic at age 3.

Anyway, the stamina in Domincan's pedigree is there in the most important, and least visable line of all pedigrees, that being the tail-female line.

All the pedigree stuff aside---Domincan's stock just seems to always be improving. He sold for $37,000 at a JAN yearling sale, came back 10 months later and sold for $70,000 at an OCT yearling sale, came back five months later and worked an 1/8th in 10 2/5ths at OBS and sold for $150,000 at a March 2yo sale. He had a fairly productive 2yo season, got over his testicle issue, and has won two stakes from his two starts this year--rallying past two legit Derby candidates to win the Blue Grass last time out.

He just seems to always be getting a little better and better--that said, I don't want him in the Derby.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by JJP

Sammy Sosa has Dominican breeding.....

So does that mean that Dominican's breeding is "berry, berry good."

[Bobby Fischer]

If Dominican were a front-runner, I would worry more about his pedigree due to the sire not really being a stamina plus.
IMO it depends on how far off the pace he is willing to sit, and how late he is willing to make his run.
I don't see Dominican as a win candidate.

[Uncle Daddy]

I apprecaite the comments. I do look at breeding but more to elininate afew or sperate a few candidates. He's not my top choice but improving and interesting.

Muchas gracias