Derby Wise Guy Horse

Sightseek · #1 04-23-2007, 08:42 PM

Last year had Point Determined so who will it be this year?

Cajungator26 · #2 04-23-2007, 08:44 PM

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Last year had Point Determined so who will it be this year?

Zanjero?

Hickory Hill Hoff · #3 04-23-2007, 08:47 PM

Gotta be Hard Spun

2Hot4TV · #4 04-23-2007, 09:46 PM

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Gotta be Hard Spun

I agree, Hard Spun can still be any kind of horse on dirt.

JDank34 · #5 04-23-2007, 08:47 PM

I think Any Given Saturday. Especially, with the positive rider change for his preferred style

Scav · #6 04-23-2007, 10:31 PM

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I think Any Given Saturday. Especially, with the positive rider change for his preferred style

exactly, this horse is going to be the same odds at Circular Quay on derby Day, whole world is all over him, has AGS even won a stakes race this year?

Sightseek · #7 04-23-2007, 10:34 PM

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exactly, this horse is going to be the same odds at Circular Quay on derby Day, whole world is all over him, has AGS even won a stakes race this year?

Not a graded, but he won the Sam Davis S. at Tampa Bay.

Scav · #8 04-23-2007, 10:35 PM

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Not a graded, but he won the Sam Davis S. at Tampa Bay.

There you go, not even a graded winner......will be grossly overbet. Giacomo was the last non graded winner to win, after that I can't remember....

#9 04-23-2007, 10:42 PM

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exactly, this horse is going to be the same odds at Circular Quay on derby Day, whole world is all over him, has AGS even won a stakes race this year?

What is strange about being the same odds as a horse who has not raced in 8 weeks and had an obvious change of plans due to...? someone tell me, why did Pletcher change plans. I dont remember Pletcher ever being quoted after CQ's last race saying that the plan is to give the horse 8 weeks off.

Scav · #10 04-23-2007, 10:44 PM

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What is strange about being the same odds as a horse who has not raced in 8 weeks and had an obvious change of plans due to...? someone tell me, why did Pletcher change plans. I dont remember Pletcher ever being quoted after CQ's last race saying that the plan is to give the horse 8 weeks off.

the horse has worked perfectly the last two times, the horse is fine. he just needed time and from reports, Angel told him the horse runs best off layoffs and just get him ready.

The horse is lock city to hit the board with his turn of foot, and most likely win

XIIPointStables · #11 04-23-2007, 09:04 PM

What's the definition of a "wise guy horse?"

Was it Bandini in 2005?

Other recent examples?

Danzig · #12 04-23-2007, 09:07 PM

tiago

-BT- · #13 04-23-2007, 09:18 PM

http://www.drf.com/tc/kentuckyderby/...tch_042007.pdf

Jay Privman says Chelokee is the wise-guy horse this year.... and im not gonna argue

-bt-

-BT- · #14 04-23-2007, 09:19 PM

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Doubtful as of today though.

what did i miss today?

-bt-

Hickory Hill Hoff · #15 04-23-2007, 09:50 PM

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Saarland, that's it. He was a big wiseguy horse.

My pick that year....

whodey17 · #16 04-23-2007, 10:12 PM

I think the Wise Guy horse is going to be No Biz

hi_im_god · #17 04-23-2007, 10:40 PM

i think ten most wanted was the ultimate wise guy horse recently.

but it's possible i only think that because my friends still occasionally call me "saarland" when i get out of line. one little mistake is all it takes with that crowd.

zanjero should be the wise guy horse this year. although i wonder if there is one if no one can agree who it is.

no chance hard spun or ags are wise guy horses. too many people like them. i've heard no heat behind cowtown cat. a wise guy horse has to be one that the supposed insiders agree has a great chance at good odds.

i think zanjero for now.