Sad Day for Beyer Haters

[blackthroatedwind]

He actually picked Street Sense......and Cowtown Cat for last!

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He actually picked Street Sense......and Cowtown Cat for last!

Good for him. He's a legend. Doesn't mean he's the best capper obviously but he has as big an impact on the wagering public as anyone in the last 50 years.

[ArlJim78]

His BSF figures led directly to the trifecta as well.

[blackthroatedwind]

I'm just having fun.

Personally this is a rare Derby for me where I'm very happy with the results. I have liked Street Sense for a long time, I thought Hard Spun ran an outstanding race and honestly didn't deserve to lose, and all the horses I didn't like ran poorly.....like Scat Daddy and Cowtown Cat. I also am not Circular Quay's biggest fan and honestly felt it would be a bad precedent for a horse to win off an eight week layoff.

I think, for once, it may well be fair to say the best three horses made up the trifecta. A good day for racing.

[DCracing]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm just having fun.

Personally this is a rare Derby for me where I'm very happy with the results. I have liked Street Sense for a long time, I thought Hard Spun ran an outstanding race and honestly didn't deserve to lose, and all the horses I didn't like ran poorly.....like Scat Daddy and Cowtown Cat. I also am not Circular Quay's biggest fan and honestly felt it would be a bad precedent for a horse to win off an eight week layoff.

I think, for once, it may well be fair to say the best three horses made up the trifecta. A good day for racing.

Andy!!! Thanks for the link to your youbet shows - watched the last 2, shared the link with my friends - both shows were well produced with great stuff. Too bad i am a not a good listener! Definitely agree with the earlier post about beyer's figs.

I think your recent emphatic point on ATRAB about running your horses came home today. I also think we might see a record crowd for the Belmont!

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm just having fun.

Personally this is a rare Derby for me where I'm very happy with the results. I have liked Street Sense for a long time, I thought Hard Spun ran an outstanding race and honestly didn't deserve to lose, and all the horses I didn't like ran poorly.....like Scat Daddy and Cowtown Cat. I also am not Circular Quay's biggest fan and honestly felt it would be a bad precedent for a horse to win off an eight week layoff.

I think, for once, it may well be fair to say the best three horses made up the trifecta. A good day for racing.

My feelings exactly! A highly satisfactory outcome. My money was on Hard Spun (heart as much as head) but I knew Street Sense was the danger. Curlin showed he has talent and only lacked the conditioning to play a more prominent role. Also, we saw prepping on Poly is not death, and that a race 3 weeks out is better than one 4,5,6 or 8 weeks out.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm just having fun.

Personally this is a rare Derby for me where I'm very happy with the results. I have liked Street Sense for a long time, I thought Hard Spun ran an outstanding race and honestly didn't deserve to lose, and all the horses I didn't like ran poorly.....like Scat Daddy and Cowtown Cat. I also am not Circular Quay's biggest fan and honestly felt it would be a bad precedent for a horse to win off an eight week layoff.

I think, for once, it may well be fair to say the best three horses made up the trifecta. A good day for racing.

Agreed, my disdain for Assmussen nonwithstanding the 3 best ran in that order.

I had a dream last night that Hard Spun led to the quarter pole and Street Sense ran him down to win, with a pink silked Silverton Hill horse getting up for 3rd. For a flash at the sixteenth pole I felt like phucking Nostradamus.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm just having fun.

Personally this is a rare Derby for me where I'm very happy with the results. I have liked Street Sense for a long time, I thought Hard Spun ran an outstanding race and honestly didn't deserve to lose, and all the horses I didn't like ran poorly.....like Scat Daddy and Cowtown Cat. I also am not Circular Quay's biggest fan and honestly felt it would be a bad precedent for a horse to win off an eight week layoff.

I think, for once, it may well be fair to say the best three horses made up the trifecta. A good day for racing.

Yes...those were the three and nobody else showed up, expect the "wildandcrazy" one. A very logical finish.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm just having fun.

Personally this is a rare Derby for me where I'm very happy with the results. I have liked Street Sense for a long time, I thought Hard Spun ran an outstanding race and honestly didn't deserve to lose, and all the horses I didn't like ran poorly.....like Scat Daddy and Cowtown Cat. I also am not Circular Quay's biggest fan and honestly felt it would be a bad precedent for a horse to win off an eight week layoff.

I think, for once, it may well be fair to say the best three horses made up the trifecta. A good day for racing.

I'm not so sure it's a good day for racing. For today, it was. I didn't have the winner but am very happy with the results. To see all of the jinxes broken at once was great. The winner was the 2yo champ and BC Juv winner and ran only two preps. The second place horse hadn't raced in six weeks. The third place horse had only three career starts and none as a 2yo. This was great to me. And I agree with u that the three best horses were the top three. But.......

Was it good for the future of racing? I'm not so sure. We know how many trainers are copycats of what works one time. We saw Barbaro win with a five week layoff so this year we saw a couple of main contenders with long layoffs in Hard Spun and Circular Quay. Because of Street Sense's success, we'll see more horses going into the race off of only two preps. So I'm wondering if next season's prep races are really going to see the effects of the success of Street Sense, Hard Spun, and Curlin.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I'm not so sure it's a good day for racing. For today, it was. I didn't have the winner but am very happy with the results. To see all of the jinxes broken at once was great. The winner was the 2yo champ and BC Juv winner and ran only two preps. The second place horse hadn't raced in six weeks. The third place horse had only three career starts and none as a 2yo. This was great to me. And I agree with u that the three best horses were the top three. But.......

Was it good for the future of racing? I'm not so sure. We know how many trainers are copycats of what works one time. We saw Barbaro win with a five week layoff so this year we saw a couple of main contenders with long layoffs in Hard Spun and Circular Quay. Because of Street Sense's success, we'll see more horses going into the race off of only two preps. So I'm wondering if next season's prep races are really going to see the effects of the success of Street Sense, Hard Spun, and Curlin.

but i think those top three horses were handled correctly--but what works for one horse (hard spuns layoff) doesn't work for another--say, circular quay. just like the layoff worked for rags, but not her stablemate. going poly to dirt worked for street sense, but not dominican.

i'd rather have a trainer who maps out the right route for his horse, rather than saying hey, it worked for so and so, i'll try it too.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but i think those top three horses were handled correctly--but what works for one horse (hard spuns layoff) doesn't work for another--say, circular quay. just like the layoff worked for rags, but not her stablemate. going poly to dirt worked for street sense, but not dominican.

i'd rather have a trainer who maps out the right route for his horse, rather than saying hey, it worked for so and so, i'll try it too.

I agree with u. But I've also seen how these guys do. They will see that it won the race and ran second and third and more will try it just for that reason. If Barbaro hadn't won the Derby last year, maybe some of the horses that used layoffs would have run one more time.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

He's always knocked for his Derby picks, and this year he picked the winner and the last place finisher....

Which is why it's a sad day for his haters.


This is one of the tougher races to handicap all year long---and no matter how excellent a better, they will make their mistakes in this race. Any Given Saturday ran a dreadful 8th for me.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He's always knocked for his Derby picks, and this year he picked the winner and the last place finisher....

Which is why it's a sad day for his haters.


This is one of the tougher races to handicap all year long---and no matter how excellent a better, they will make their mistakes in this race. Any Given Saturday ran a dreadful 8th for me.

Thus a good day for DrugS haters?

Not that there are any....or should be.

By the way, it's bettor.

[cmorioles]

To be fair, AGS was doomed after the post draw. Hopefully this result will end this ridiculous thought that the outside is better than the inside.

[ninetoone]

I'm glad Beyer finally picked the winner, but unfortunately it was the favorite & alot of people/experts had it. War Emblem @ 20-1 w/the top prep BSF was his opportunity to become a handicapping "God"...how did he miss that one? That must p*ss him off...

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He actually picked Street Sense......and Cowtown Cat for last!

Me too, I am in good company

easy money

good going Andy B

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He actually picked Street Sense......and Cowtown Cat for last!

Yes, but, did he increase his lead to like 125 points in the TVG contest?

Cowtown Cat somehow didn't beat out Stormello, who was my stone cold lock to finish last---and I believe finished 19th.

I really can't wait to bet against Street Sense again---with Dominguez on fairly tactical, and not-that-dangerous Chelokee, the rail should finally be sealed.

[cmorioles]

Sometimes there is no need to try and be clever. Just bet the best horse and cash. That is what Beyer did I assume.

I'm not sure what he can do to make some people happy.