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Old 05-26-2007, 04:30 AM
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Default FDA: Rush to judgement proves faulty again!

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/may...tml....Another fine job by the FDA! This faulty drug is being pushed on the nations' adolescent girls by lawmakers who have no idea what they're doing,or the damge inflicted if it's allowed to continue. Almost 25% serious reactions....already 3 dead. I'm sure it wasn't mentioned when the Drug company was contributing to campaign warchests and FDA coffers!
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Old 05-26-2007, 10:36 AM
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Tim, seeing as how we all know the religious right would rather see girls get cancer if they have sex (which is what the vaccine is designed to prevent) maybe next time you'll want to post a link that is not to an anti-abortion website. Talk about an agenda!

Here's the HPV vaccine report from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention:

http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/STDFact-HPV-vaccine-hcp.htm

The article you posted (yes, I read it. ) said one of the girls died three hours after being administered the vaccine, but doesn't say the vaccine was the cause. Here's an article about a girl who died 12 hours after being administered a tetanus vaccine. The furor almost derailed the district's vaccination program (in India, I believe), and in fact, it turned out her death wasn't due to the vaccine after all. So, the article you posted seems to be massaging the facts, at best. I also liked the way it attempted to make general risks of vaccinations sound specific to the HPV vaccine only. No, wait; I didn't like that. That's lying. Isn't that against one of the Ten Commandments?

http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems...Kerala&Topic=0

Meanwhile, 10,000 new cases of cervical cancer are reported each year in the US alone, and 4,000 women die from it. But they deserve it for having sex, seems to be the point of view of the right-wing religious nuts in this country.

And the reason for pushing for the vaccincations to be mandatory? Because if vaccinations are required, they must also be made available for free. The HPV vaccine costs $300 and that puts it out of the price range of most poor families, who, frankly, are the ones who are most in need of it.
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Old 05-26-2007, 11:12 AM
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thank you for posting nicole...we all know that people die everyday from unforeseen reactions to medications and vaccines, that does not make them catagorically unsafe....if you need an example think about penicillin.
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Old 05-26-2007, 11:37 AM
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Meanwhile, 10,000 new cases of cervical cancer are reported each year in the US alone, and 4,000 women die from it.
And we now have a vaccine that can prevent it.

I can totally see why that would bother some people.

Or wait, no, I can't.
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Old 05-26-2007, 11:47 AM
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By the way Nicole, I checked out Judicial Watch's website and found their "findings" of these three deaths: http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive...AERSDeaths.pdf

The first one listed had a blood clot three hours after the vaccination. That one is the only one that sounds remotely suspicious in terms of the vaccine potentially playing a part.

Case two had the patient dying two weeks after receiving the vaccine. Had enlarged ventricles in the heart.

Case three had a history of valve insufficiency.

It sounds like at least two of these (and take it with a grain of salt, me not being a doctor and all) had some sort of history of heart-related abnormalities. I just wonder why none of that was discussed in the press release style article that's on Judicial Watch's front page, instead it just says that three girls who got the vaccine died with no qualifying information even though it can be found by looking into the FDA's information that was granted to Judicial Watch under a Freedom of Information request.
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Old 05-26-2007, 12:50 PM
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Just for the record, the posting had nothing to do with any agenda...and Judicial Watch is middle of the road as far as politics,mostly dealing with corruption in Govt. With your permission...Can I still be angry that FDA approved Avandia,the well known Diabetes drug?... which has doctors scrambling to find a safe med for their patients? btw..so much for a meaningful discussion!
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Old 05-26-2007, 12:59 PM
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Just for the record, the posting had nothing to do with any agenda...and Judicial Watch is middle of the road as far as politics,mostly dealing with corruption in Govt. With your permission...Can I still be angry that FDA approved Avandia,the well known Diabetes drug?... which has doctors scrambling to find a safe med for their patients? btw..so much for a meaningful discussion!
And for the record, I posted without an agenda as well -- no right/left ideology. I just found it more than a little curious that the way Judicial Watch presented their evidence very much implied that the vaccine was to blame, and in the same article completely failed to mention the other factors that may have contributed. In their defense, at least they have the FDA reports they received so anyone willing to look into it can at least make their own inferences regarding the patients' health without regard to the vaccine.

Their report certainly could lead one to believe that they've got an agenda. If I have a history of heart problems, eat some sushi, and two weeks later drop dead from a heart incident -- would it be responsible for them to write a report saying "Sushi kills Brian W. Spencer," with no mention of the fact that I died from a heart-related incident and that I had a past history of heart problems?

I'm just concerned about the shady way they wrote the report. I am all for the FDA looking into drugs, but if they say they are safe, I will believe they are safe until proven otherwise. Showing that three girls who recieved the shot died without any proof that the shot was to blame and using it as a scare tactic does seem like someone has an agenda on this issue -- and it not you or me.
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Just for the record, the posting had nothing to do with any agenda...and Judicial Watch is middle of the road as far as politics,mostly dealing with corruption in Govt. With your permission...Can I still be angry that FDA approved Avandia,the well known Diabetes drug?... which has doctors scrambling to find a safe med for their patients? btw..so much for a meaningful discussion!
Tim, the title of your thread is "FDA rush to judgment proves faulty again!" How is that title neutral? When in fact, where the HPV vaccine is concerned, their decision hasn't yet proved faulty.

Your link was not from Judicial Watch; Brian's was. Yours was from Lifesite.net, and they clearly have an agenda where women and sex are concerned.

I don't disagree one bit with you that the FDA has made mistakes; of course they have. But where the HPV vaccine is concerned, you'll have a hard time convincing me most of the people screaming about the "safety" issues are truly concerned about "safety" more than they are women having sex. If they were, they'd be demanding condoms be made widely available to teenagers, as they'll help prevent a lot more than just HPV.
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