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Old 05-26-2007, 12:18 PM
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TVG just reported that Garret Gomez will be riding Hard Spun in the Belmont. Jones and Porter not happy with Pino's ride in the Preakness. This according to Chris Katoulak on tvg. Thoughts anyone?
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Old 05-26-2007, 12:35 PM
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This moves that horse up 5 lengths, at least
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Old 05-26-2007, 01:40 PM
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This moves that horse up 5 inches, at most
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Old 05-26-2007, 01:48 PM
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This moves that horse up 5 lengths, at least
So had Gomez been aboard in the prior two races, this horse would have dominated those two and be going for a Triple Crown?
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Old 05-26-2007, 01:58 PM
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So had Gomez been aboard in the prior two races, this horse would have dominated those two and be going for a Triple Crown?
basically

learn to rate the riders, you will win in this game!
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Old 05-26-2007, 02:01 PM
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Old 05-26-2007, 02:08 PM
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learn to rate the riders, you will win in this game!

Absolute nonsense, play jocks and you end up sleeping in a cardboard box on the street. Pino rode HS perfectly in the Derby, he may have moved too early in the Preakness but I don't know what his instructions were or whether the horse dictated that move...remember the 73 Preakness? No horse moves on the first turn in a distance race going from last to first and holds on...well, almost never! Point is that there are a lot of factors that dictate how a jock rides in a race; apparently the connections feel a change will benefit the horse...I doubt it!
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Old 05-26-2007, 02:18 PM
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basically gomez moves a horse up like Arcaro, the horse is a lock now, he already has a pace advantage on the others.
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Old 05-26-2007, 02:19 PM
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What I don't get is why this allegedly shows Rags to Riches probably won't go as Bloodhorse said. It's not like John V and Gomez are the only 2 riders on the planet. What I thought was amusing is that there's a couple that might enter if Street Sense is out but apparently they're not as obsessed with Curlin. SS was specifically mentioned as an obstacle instead of saying 'a couple of the big players' is what I'm saying.
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This moves that horse up 5 lengths, at least
I guess the concensus around the racing world is that Garret Gomez is so good he would win most races on any horse that he decides to ride.

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Old 05-27-2007, 01:29 AM
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I guess the concensus around the racing world is that Garret Gomez is so good he would win most races on any horse that he decides to ride.

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that pretty much sums it up...
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Old 05-27-2007, 02:48 AM
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Well the bottom line is he gave the horse a good ride in the Derby, but let's face it, that ride in the Preakness cost Hard Spun any chance of winning, how can we say he was distance challenged when he never got a chance to show he could run, that the horse held on for third after that Jamie Spencer like move is a testament to his grittiness, he may not be in the league of Curlin or Street Sense, but he had no chance to prove it in the Preakness, now they move on to a quirkier track like Belmont where experience is huge and they get one of the best money riders in the game to ride the horse and get criticized, to me it's a no-brainer. The connections have an obligation to the horse, not the riders. Mario Pino choked in his own back yard, the connections lost confidence in him. It's the name of the game, if he were my horse in the exact situation, I get Gomez in a heartbeat.
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Old 05-27-2007, 08:41 AM
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So what is Gomez going to do. Overate a free running horse. I still don't see anything wrong in Pinos' ride in the Preakness.
Sure it looked like he moved to soon. But the plain fact is that this is a colt who was rattling off 1/4s in 23, and when he went by the front runners, that's what he did, a 23. At no point did he change his hold on HS. He "did not" move to soon. The naturally ability of HS took him by those front runners easily imo. Remember, this is a colt who ran his last 1/2 in the Derby in over 51 seconds. I think trainer Jones has his work cut out for him in the ensuing weeks. He has to somehow alter that high cruising speed hat HS has become accustomed to. And only then will a jockey change make a difference imo..
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Old 05-27-2007, 08:44 AM
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Well the bottom line is he gave the horse a good ride in the Derby, but let's face it, that ride in the Preakness cost Hard Spun any chance of winning, how can we say he was distance challenged when he never got a chance to show he could run, that the horse held on for third after that Jamie Spencer like move is a testament to his grittiness, he may not be in the league of Curlin or Street Sense, but he had no chance to prove it in the Preakness, now they move on to a quirkier track like Belmont where experience is huge and they get one of the best money riders in the game to ride the horse and get criticized, to me it's a no-brainer. The connections have an obligation to the horse, not the riders. Mario Pino choked in his own back yard, the connections lost confidence in him. It's the name of the game, if he were my horse in the exact situation, I get Gomez in a heartbeat.
But see, I don't see it as a jock issue....he made the move because he had a decision to make and after he made it, Prado put some heat on him....I think this is a combination of a couple of things...one of which is a mediocre at best training job.....this horse has done what he has done in spite of the connections....jmo
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Old 05-26-2007, 08:55 PM
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Cool food for subjective thought

It is a move in the right direction for the future of this horse.

How it affects his performance in The Belmont Stakes will depend on what if any changes to his running style will be employed, as well as how the race itself plays out in the beginning stages.
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Old 05-26-2007, 09:16 PM
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totally agree bobby...sometimes you need to change starting pitchers, sometimes you need to change jockeys.
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Old 05-26-2007, 09:21 PM
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It is more of Porter searching for an excuse for his horse and trainer. Every time that camp opens up their mouths, it smells more and more like dog$hit. Sure Pino's move was a bit early, but his horse was full of run and wanted to throw Pino off his back for the stranglehold. The jock change is a joke. I have absolute, no respect for Porter. King of Cars is the King of Excuses. I'm from his region so it must be a strong distaste I have for this crumb, for me to bash him like this. Has it ever occured to him that his horses running style best fits shorter races and not the classic distances against serious stretch runners??
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