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Old 06-06-2007, 02:50 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe...les/index.html

what is going on here? last thing this planet needs is another cold war.
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Old 06-06-2007, 04:11 PM
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what is going on here? last thing this planet needs is another cold war.

I agree with most of what this great man said but Iran must NEVER get nukes! We need statesmen not political hacks in the White House...the world must work together on the issues of Iran, North Korea and terrorism...but if all else fails, Iran must be stopped by whatever means are necessary!
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Old 06-06-2007, 04:29 PM
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what is going on here? last thing this planet needs is another cold war.
Interesting article.
Gorbachov recently spoke against "American Empire". Google it.
It seems to me that Putin is seeing the end of his tenure, as is GWB.
The perception is that the anti-missile system is directed against Russia, not Iran (that doesn't have delivery systems currently) as Bush claims.
Putin's move is to attempt to drive a wedge between the US and the "old" NATO allies in Europe.
Bush really doesn't need to push his agenda at this point in time.
Suffice it to say, he's been wrong before. Perhaps he will continue to be until his term is completed.
Here's something to consider. What would be the US reaction if a country like China installed an anti missile system in its doorstep, like Cuba?
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Old 06-06-2007, 04:37 PM
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Here's a link to the BBC interview. Also, click on the right side to read Putin's warning to Europe.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6717037.stm
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Old 06-06-2007, 04:43 PM
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Interesting article.
Gorbachov recently spoke against "American Empire". Google it.
It seems to me that Putin is seeing the end of his tenure, as is GWB.
The perception is that the anti-missile system is directed against Russia, not Iran (that doesn't have delivery systems currently) as Bush claims.
Putin's move is to attempt to drive a wedge between the US and the "old" NATO allies in Europe.
Bush really doesn't need to push his agenda at this point in time.
Suffice it to say, he's been wrong before. Perhaps he will continue to be until his term is completed.
Here's something to consider. What would be the US reaction if a country like China installed an anti missile system in its doorstep, like Cuba?

Well, we know what Kennedy's reaction was to missiles in Cuba...I agree that this is not something we need to be involved with right now, if Europe wants a defense system they can build their own or use the French method (run like hell at the first sign of trouble)!
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Old 06-06-2007, 09:14 PM
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what is going on here? last thing this planet needs is another cold war.
would help on that whole global warming thing tho.....
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Old 06-06-2007, 10:05 PM
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whithout sounding stupid ..i thnk that russia is trying to re live the past ..if we scare america about europe again the will re comit forces to the west..germany ect..keeping them away from the arabs .....
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Old 06-06-2007, 10:41 PM
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From the article:

Gorbachev said that Russian democracy is growing despite its problems. He noted that the courts don't work and some media outlets have made deals with the authorities. But there is now, he said, a relatively free press.

Russia is moving from a totalitarian regime to democracy, he said, but it is only halfway there.


This is a very optimistic view of Russia. I think its bull.

The press is having a very tough time. And Russia is moving back towards a totalitarian way. Democracy is a terribly difficult thing to achieve. We had some sense that it would just occur automatically. That Democracy is somehow the steady state that is inevitably reached. Well its clearly not.

The institutions must be in place, a country just cant say we want to be democratic. And given Russia's history, the cultural inclination is clearly set up for a very organized totalitarian state, rather than a democracy that cant keep the lights on and protect citizens from criminals. The fledging democracy was rife with scandal and people taking advantage of the government privatizing industries, etc... And the folks on the street get sick of having inequities right in front of their faces, rather than hidden behind the big wall of a government.

IMO, this country is heading in a diff. direction...The easier well worn path. Not the difficult fair path of democracy. And I thank you...
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Old 06-06-2007, 10:46 PM
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It is bull! It doesn't look like the totalitarian folks are succeeding at "keeping the lights on and protecting the people" very well either!
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Old 06-06-2007, 10:49 PM
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It is bull! It doesn't look like the totalitarian folks are succeeding at "keeping the lights on and protecting the people" very well either!
They don't have to!
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