Ed Fountaine's article from todays NY Post

golfer · #1 06-08-2007, 05:52 AM

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06082007...ine.htm?page=0

Kasept · #2 06-08-2007, 06:08 AM

Happened to be with Fontaine while he was on the phone with JB yesterday... Got finished with him and turned to me and said, "Wow. That was great. Jerry Brown just gave me an entire column.." Ed will join me on the Show tonight at 5:45.

golfer · #3 06-08-2007, 06:09 AM

Steve, I heard you mention Dan Peitz's name the other day. Since we've been discussing the merits of Steppenwolfer, have you or will you be speaking to him?

Kasept · #4 06-08-2007, 06:15 AM

I will hopefully see him as he shares a barn with My Man Sciacca and I was planning on going there this morning. I would like to get a few guests that are involved in the other races tomorrow, and the Steppenwolfer angle for the Manhattan is a good one. Plus, Pietz is one of the really nice guys in racing. He was on last year during the Derby Trail run-up.

blackthroatedwind · #5 06-08-2007, 09:05 AM

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I would like to get a few guests that are involved in the other races tomorrow, and the Steppenwolfer angle for the Manhattan is a good one.

And that angle would be........ overmatched also rans in supporting stakes?

fpsoxfan · #6 06-08-2007, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by golfer

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06082007...ine.htm?page=0

Very interesting!! Thanks for the article.

blackthroatedwind · #7 06-08-2007, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by golfer

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06082007...ine.htm?page=0

More of the same misinformation that the NY Post prints on a daily basis. No doubt this is the final confirmation that bounce mumbo jumbo is total crap.

miraja2 · #8 06-08-2007, 09:36 AM

So War Emblem lost the '02 Belmont because he 'bounced?' Give me a break. The horse lost because he stumbled badly at the start and (more importantly) because he couldn't have won a 12f race even if they strapped a motor to his ass.
I don't generally put much stock in the whole theory of the "bounce." If people want to convince me that it works.....I am willing to entertain the idea....but they better come up with better examples than War Emblem in the Belmont.

alysheba4 · #9 06-08-2007, 09:46 AM

on an every day basis i believe there is some merit...........yeah, i dont know about war emblem.

Pedigree Ann · #10 06-08-2007, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

So War Emblem lost the '02 Belmont because he 'bounced?' Give me a break. The horse lost because he stumbled badly at the start and (more importantly) because he couldn't have won a 12f race even if they strapped a motor to his ass.
I don't generally put much stock in the whole theory of the "bounce." If people want to convince me that it works.....I am willing to entertain the idea....but they better come up with better examples than War Emblem in the Belmont.

Not only did War Emblem put his nose to the deck at the start, he clearly had a panic attack from being behind horses on the backstretch. He KNEW that wasn't where he was 'supposed' to be and fought the jock strenuously to get to the front. However, I do think it was possible that if he had broken well and gotten the type of lead he had at Churchill, he would have had little trouble lasting out the distance.

miraja2 · #11 06-08-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

Better handicappers than me believe in "cycles," "patterns," and "bounces," so I listen.

If I was going to listen to the opinion of everyone that was a better handicapper than I am, I would be listening to about 4 billion different opinions.

letswastemoney · #12 06-08-2007, 01:47 PM

I think if Curlin loses, it'll be because of his Smart Strike influence

Dunbar · #13 06-08-2007, 02:17 PM

I'm betting against Curlin, not because I think he will "bounce", but because I think he will be overbet relative to Hard Spun. If Curlin wins the race, at least now I'll have the satisfying consolation of knowing another nail has been driven into the "bounce" coffin. I may even have to change my avatar.

However, like Dracula and dosage, "bounce" is hard to kill!

--Dunbar

Cajungator26 · #14 06-08-2007, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

I'm looking up at about 5 billion!

Mine too.

Cannon Shell · #15 06-08-2007, 10:36 PM

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Actually, I thought that while the information was interesting to read, Fountaine was lazy. The article should have focused on what the owners, trainers, jockeys, and horses had to say about their chances tomorrow. That is the news of the race.

I'm sure he just did not get any interesting quotes from the horses so he went with the J. Brown piece.

VOL JACK · #16 06-08-2007, 10:40 PM

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I'm sure he just did not get any interesting quotes from the horses so he went with the J. Brown piece.

Chuck, if U don't mind me asking, do U use any TG's or Rags to spot your horses?

Cannon Shell · #17 06-08-2007, 10:44 PM

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Chuck, if U don't mind me asking, do U use any TG's or Rags to spot your horses?

My current group is so slow I wouldn't run any of them if I knew how bad their #'s are.

Seriously I have used TG to get an idea of the relative merits of a race.

pick4 · #18 06-09-2007, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

More of the same misinformation that the NY Post prints on a daily basis. No doubt this is the final confirmation that bounce mumbo jumbo is total crap.

What do you mean by misinformation? Based on what Steve said in a post in this thread Fountaine printed what Jerry Brown said told him and he stated that it was Jerry's opinion.

If you think the NY Post is the only paper that prints wrong information you're wrong. The NY Times, NY Daily News, Newsday, The Star Ledger, etc publish editions with falsehoods in story after story from front cover to back cover.