Jamie Sanders

[mik9872]

This woman is still a moron. How much more money would Teulflesburg earned with proper management. I just read she is considering the Travers. This is a superior one turn horse. Even considering the Travers instead of the Kings Bishop is ridiculous.

[Samarta]

hopefully she had the race tivo'd and heard Albarado's comments about him being a superior one turn horse...but anything past 8f would be a struggle....

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by mik9872

This woman is still a moron. How much more money would Teulflesburg earned with proper management. I just read she is considering the Travers. This is a superior one turn horse. Even considering the Travers instead of the Kings Bishop is ridiculous.

That figures!

The boys on Estreet weren't happy with that victory yesterday...but still, this horse always runs his heart out.

[pick4]

Originally Posted by mik9872

This woman is still a moron. How much more money would Teulflesburg earned with proper management. I just read she is considering the Travers. This is a superior one turn horse. Even considering the Travers instead of the Kings Bishop is ridiculous.

Jaime Sanders said, "We can go in the King's Bishop or maybe even the Travers" http://www.drf.com/news/article/85686.html

If they decide to run in the Travers I agree with your opinion of her. But interpreting her statement, I think she meant that the King's Bishop was the main target race. The Travers comment was probably said with the thrill of winning a Grade 2 on Belmont day.

[Left Bank]

She still needs to learn how to read a condition book.

[pick4]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

She still needs to learn how to read a condition book.

I agree. I thought she ruined Teufelsberg and had Stormello in my pick 4. I thought Stormello and Teufelsberg looked like similar horses but included Stormello because of the class and cutback angle.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by pick4

I agree. I thought she ruined Teufelsberg and had Stormello in my pick 4. I thought Stormello and Teufelsberg looked like similar horses but included Stormello because of the class and cutback angle.

I know I'm fighting a losing battle here but I'll say it anyway...the woman has done nothing wrong with this horse, he obviously is sound and prospers with work, she's running him the way trainers use to run their horses...you know, before the object was to run 6-8 times, get the fans hooked and then send the horse to the breeding shed. His run in the Blue Grass was certainly good enough, snail's pace and all, to merit taking the once-in-a-lifetime chance in the Derby. He lost the BG by a neck and the Derby winner was in the race afterall. You simply don't know how ANY horse is gonna respond to running against 19 others with all those people in the infield at 10 furlongs until you try. If that effort harmed the horse, it sure didn't show yesterday! How many MALE trainers have entered distance-challenged horses in the Derby? Todd Pletcher, for all his success has apparently entered quite a few horses in the race that "didn't belong", at least based on performance and yet folks don't make fun of him and act like he's ruining his horses. Of course her record overall is that of a low % trainer...not everybody wins 30% or even 10%, she's just starting trainer-wise. She has what we use to call an "iron horse", one who apparently thrives on racing...for 3yo's in the spring, that means taking a look at the TC at least...she tried the Derby and has now cut back appropriately to 7f, the Kings Bishop would appear to be the logical next race but I'd keep the Travers on the radar...suppose the race comes up paceless? Why not take a shot? 3yo races are unique...you get one shot only...who are we to criticize someone who actually runs a sound horse??

[pick4]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I know I'm fighting a losing battle here but I'll say it anyway...the woman has done nothing wrong with this horse, he obviously is sound and prospers with work, she's running him the way trainers use to run their horses...you know, before the object was to run 6-8 times, get the fans hooked and then send the horse to the breeding shed. His run in the Blue Grass was certainly good enough, snail's pace and all, to merit taking the once-in-a-lifetime chance in the Derby. He lost the BG by a neck and the Derby winner was in the race afterall. You simply don't know how ANY horse is gonna respond to running against 19 others with all those people in the infield at 10 furlongs until you try. If that effort harmed the horse, it sure didn't show yesterday! How many MALE trainers have entered distance-challenged horses in the Derby? Todd Pletcher, for all his success has apparently entered quite a few horses in the race that "didn't belong", at least based on performance and yet folks don't make fun of him and act like he's ruining his horses. Of course her record overall is that of a low % trainer...not everybody wins 30% or even 10%, she's just starting trainer-wise. She has what we use to call an "iron horse", one who apparently thrives on racing...for 3yo's in the spring, that means taking a look at the TC at least...she tried the Derby and has now cut back appropriately to 7f, the Kings Bishop would appear to be the logical next race but I'd keep the Travers on the radar...suppose the race comes up paceless? Why not take a shot? 3yo races are unique...you get one shot only...who are we to criticize someone who actually runs a sound horse??

We're not fighting. Look at Teufelsberg PP's from race 1 through the Woody Stephens and please explain using logic and not emotion how he has been managed wisely.

Taking chances is one thing but I think taking so many chances was not the best way to develop the horse. That being said Jaime Sanders is a horsewoman and I am not a horseman. She knows how to care for a horse and I do not. She worked for Nick Zito and I've only read positive things from him through various media sources. So even though her record thus far has been less than stellar you have to take Nick Zito at his horse that she is an excellent horsewoman.

Conditioning a horse and knowing where to run a horse are two different things. I believe some trainers are better at placing their horses than caring for their horse. It seems Jaime at this point in her training career is better at conditioning and caring for her horses than at placing her horse. The decision on skipping the Preakness and aiming for the Woody Stephens was a smart decision and she was rewarded for it.

I'd post the same thing even if Jaime Sanders was James Sanders. But I'm nothing but a racing fan and an anonymous poster expressing an opinion on an internet message board. I meant no harm and I'm not looking for fights.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I know how you would like to make this some societal arguement about men vs women but it clearly is not. Do you find it all a coincidence that she is now 3 for about 120 this year? All anyone has been saying is that the horse belongs sprinting. I'm sure the ride was fun on the way to the Derby but the horse should be sprinting. If that wasn't obvious after yesterday then there really is no hope.

I'm a little disappointed in how Sanders has handled her stock this year.. I thought she showed real promise last summer at Saratoga, but she seems pretty off the deep end in her placings of some of her horses these days.

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

She still needs to learn how to read a condition book.

she needs to learn how to read a condition book? the horse she bought for $9k has won $500k, you need to read a dictionary

[Danzig]

even a blind squirrel.....

how many horses does she have, how many other than teuf have done anything? using one example doesn't make her a great trainer--if one horse was all it took, risen stars trainer would be in the hall of fame. hell, i can't even remember the guys name. that's how great he was.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Danzig

even a blind squirrel.....

how many horses does she have, how many other than teuf have done anything? using one example doesn't make her a great trainer--if one horse was all it took, risen stars trainer would be in the hall of fame. hell, i can't even remember the guys name. that's how great he was.

OK, I'll weigh in and then leave the thread alone...I know folks don't want another sociological expose from me but...name the female trainers who are consider among the training elite? That's the truth of things, it's much harder for a woman to get started as a trainer and much harder for her to be successful...do you really think there is some reason why men are better trainers? When I worked on the backstretch, I met numerous female trainers...they were every bit the horsefolks that the guys were....but they didn't get the horses! Karen Hackney at Penn National has a good year if she wins 5 races out of 200 yet she knows her stuff...the glass ceiling is still there! Give this woman a few years and we'll see if (a) she gets horses that she doesn't own and (b) what she does with them. She's got the background, learned from the best...way to early too throw her under the bus.

Originally Posted by Danzig

even a blind squirrel.....

how many horses does she have, how many other than teuf have done anything? using one example doesn't make her a great trainer--if one horse was all it took, risen stars trainer would be in the hall of fame. hell, i can't even remember the guys name. that's how great he was.

huh? the trainer of risen star is as good or better than any horse trainer in history comparatively, lou rousell not only trains race horses but he use to own the fair grounds in new orleans and he has been a 30% win trainer for 20 years at the highest level in this sport....he has only been better than a guy named pletcher for 20+years, one of the most respected horse trainers in the world.
do you remember his name now?

Originally Posted by mik9872

This woman is still a moron. How much more money would Teulflesburg earned with proper management. I just read she is considering the Travers. This is a superior one turn horse. Even considering the Travers instead of the Kings Bishop is ridiculous.

huh? she is a great horse trainer that bought a horse for $9k and has earned over $500k with the horse,,,tell me about your purchases?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by slewpy

she is a great horse trainer ?

Having seen your previous assessments of people around the racetrack I am assuming you will be starting a " why isn't Chantal Sutherland in the Hall of Fame " thread any minute.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Please stop. That "great" horse trainer is 3 for 120 on the year. In what world is that great? Teufelsberg is a very nice horse, but he has been done no favors by her placement. One horse doesn't make you great or bad, but a simple look at her record other than her big horse shows she is definitely not great.

I'm not saying she's great but I think she's done better than some folks are willing to give her credit for...calling her a moron, well...I'd like to see that poster's record training horses. I still maintain that the Derby was a perfectly OK chance to take and now the horse is sprinting. Her record is not unlike many trainers just starting out, I think she deserves the benefit of the doubt here as this horse looked great yesterday.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I know you didn't say she was great, but come on, sometimes the numbers don't lie. The horse is very good, no one disputes that.

the numbers she has so far in her career makes guys like pletcher look like beginners, per capita she makes him look like a child compared to roger clemens

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by slewpy

the numbers she has so far in her career makes guys like pletcher look like beginners, per capita she makes him look like a child compared to roger clemens

Ya gotta stop. You're killing me.

[Danzig]

i'll be right back..

gotta go put my boots on if i'm going to keep wading into this thread.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You're not Jaime Sanders are you?

If not Jamie perhaps Colonel.