Overnights for Jim Dandy - Street Sense in

[XIIPointStables]

From the NYRA website

No Cherlokee as Hooves posted earlier this week, but not a terrible field.

As for the rest of the card..ugh. Maiden city.

[Sightseek]

It will be interesting to see how Tiz Wonderful comes back.

[boswd]

I actually like this field. With CP West and Tiz Wonderful, It won't be a Street Sense walk over, though I don't see them beating him.

[XIIPointStables]

Tiz Wonderful was my first "Derby Horse" of the year after his debut Toga last year and wins in KY. Great to see him back.

Picks up Johnny V.

I think SS is the first Derby winner to run at the Spa since 1995. As a 3-y.o I mean.

[Suffolk Shippers]

Originally Posted by XIIPointStables

Tiz Wonderful was my first "Derby Horse" of the year after his debut Toga last year and wins in KY. Great to see him back.

Picks up Johnny V.

I think SS is the first Derby winner to run at the Spa since 1995. As a 3-y.o I mean.

You are right about Street Sense being the first to run at Saratoga as a Derby winner in their 3 yr old season. I read it on bloodhorse.com as well...a very telling stat if there ever was one.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Anyone surprised he's passing The Haskell? I'm guessing if Hard Spun goes he may be tough to run down at that track.

The leader after the opening 1/4 mile in The Haskell has been 1st or 2nd the last 6 years.

2006 - 2nd
2005 - 2nd
2004 - 1st
2003 - 1st
2002 - 1st
2001 - 2nd

My guess is after Hard Spun's last 2 attempts at rating they are just going to let him run. IMO, Street Sense would've had no chance there.

[XIIPointStables]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Anyone surprised he's passing The Haskell? I'm guessing if Hard Spun goes he may be tough to run down at that track.

The leader after the opening 1/4 mile in The Haskell has been 1st or 2nd the last 6 years.

2006 - 2nd
2005 - 2nd
2004 - 1st
2003 - 1st
2002 - 1st
2001 - 2nd

My guess is after Hard Spun's last 2 attempts at rating they are just going to let him run. IMO, Street Sense would've had no chance there.

I think I remember the trainer/ownership group talk about "painting the Canoe up at Saratoga..."

Maybe they feel like this the the more natural prep for the Travers and the canoe painting.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by XIIPointStables

I think I remember the trainer/ownership group talk about "painting the Canoe up at Saratoga..."

Maybe they feel like this the the more natural prep for the Travers and the canoe painting.

While that's true, isn't the Holy Grail the Classic? Wouldn't you like to get a race over that track?

[whodey17]

Tiz Wonderful is going to make Curlin and Street Sense wish they were someplace else later on this season. I am going to say that Tiz Wonderful will be the winner of the Travers.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

While that's true, isn't the Holy Grail the Classic? Wouldn't you like to get a race over that track?

Nafger is an old school trainer who still holds The Travers in very high esteem.
He wants this race.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Anyone surprised he's passing The Haskell? I'm guessing if Hard Spun goes he may be tough to run down at that track.

The leader after the opening 1/4 mile in The Haskell has been 1st or 2nd the last 6 years.

2006 - 2nd
2005 - 2nd
2004 - 1st
2003 - 1st
2002 - 1st
2001 - 2nd

My guess is after Hard Spun's last 2 attempts at rating they are just going to let him run. IMO, Street Sense would've had no chance there.

My guess is he really really wants The Travers, he even spoke of "painting the canoe" after the Derby. The Jim Dandy being 4 weeks away and running over the same track is the better way to get to the Travers. I also think with his first race back since the Preakness I don't think he wanted a full all out battle with Curlin and Hard Spun and will save that for The Travers if they show up. Though Tiz Wonderful is going to be a handful

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by boswd

My guess is he really really wants The Travers, he even spoke of "painting the canoe" after the Derby. The Jim Dandy being 4 weeks away and running over the same track is the better way to get to the Travers. I also think with his first race back since the Preakness I don't think he wanted a full all out battle with Curlin and Hard Spun and will save that for The Travers if they show up. Though Tiz Wonderful is going to be a handful

These two (Nafzger and Tafel) are reliving their UNSHADED youth (even though it was only 7 years ago) through STREET SENSE.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

These two (Nafzger and Tafel) are reliving their UNSHADED youth (even though it was only 7 years ago) through STREET SENSE.

Yeah he and a handful of the older trainers still regard The Travers as the 4th leg of the Triple Crown.

I still like to believe that but the Breeders Cup has done alot of damage to that race this past decade.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by XIIPointStables

From the NYRA website

No Cherlokee as Hooves posted earlier this week, but not a terrible field.

As for the rest of the card..ugh. Maiden city.

You may see Chelokee in the Pa Derby

[fpsoxfan]

[quote=XIIPointStables]From the NYRA website

No Cherlokee as Hooves posted earlier this week, but not a terrible field.

As for the rest of the card..ugh. Maiden city.[/QUOTE]
Wow..you aren't kidding. Other than the Dandy, the rest of the card looks more like a mid-August Monday or Wednesday.

[XIIPointStables]

[quote=fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by XIIPointStables

From the NYRA website

No Cherlokee as Hooves posted earlier this week, but not a terrible field.

As for the rest of the card..ugh. Maiden city.[/QUOTE]
Wow..you aren't kidding. Other than the Dandy, the rest of the card looks more like a mid-August Monday or Wednesday.

I know huh? Brutal. All those stakes races today maybe had an impact.