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Old 08-01-2007, 08:55 PM
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for those who haven't seen it, a bridge collapsed over the miss river, just happened not even two hours ago. no way of knowing yet about injuries, fatalities.

i hope that anyone on here from the area, or who has relatives/friends there, that your loved ones are safe.
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Old 08-01-2007, 09:21 PM
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Mine are, thank the Lord. My daughter is in Dental school at the U, and crossed the bridge at 5:10 this afternoon. You can imagine how I felt when I heard the news.
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Old 08-01-2007, 09:50 PM
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Watching this on CNN in total shock. I couldnt fathom being the driver or occupant of one of these cars. My heart goes out to the people affected by such tragic events.
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Old 08-01-2007, 10:32 PM
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That's just too horrible to imagine. I've often wonderd and someitmes dreamed about this happening but it's just too horrible.

and during rush hour traffic
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Old 08-01-2007, 10:40 PM
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There was a simliar (but on a much smaller scale) incident in Fort Hunter N.Y. in 1987. The N.Y. State Thruway bridge which crossed the Schoharie Creek there collapsed after heavy rains washed out the concrete bridge abutments. Ten people die when several vehicles fell 50 feet in the creek below. It happen in the early morning hours, so there wasn't too many vehicles crossing then. It had national attention at the time.
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Living in the MPLS area, I just crossed that bridge last week. Kinda eery. I hope and pray for everyone involved that they're alright. As of 10PM CST, 7 dead, about 30-40 injured. It's a miracle it's not more than that. My prayers go out to all involved.
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Amazing that it is only 7 dead so far. Very unfortunate situation...
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Old 08-02-2007, 04:08 PM
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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, said the collapse should trigger action.

"I think we should look at this tragedy that occurred as a wake-up call for us. We have -- all over the country -- crumbling infrastructure, highways, bridges, dams, and we really need to take a hard look at this," Reid said Thursday.

He said it was "the right thing to do" for the infrastructure and the economy. "For every billion dollars we spend in our crumbling infrastructure, 47,000 high-paying jobs are created," Reid said.

Most bridges are inspected every two years and receive ratings based on the conditions of various components, according to the U.S. Department of Transportation
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Old 08-02-2007, 05:13 PM
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True the interstates need repairs, but PLEASE don't give any control to the guys who run the Pennsylvania Turnpike. I don't know if it is State or Federal or Private groups that run it, but I cannot believe you have to pay to travel on it through Southern Pennsylvania and the road be in that sheety of shape, all of the time.

People always blame the hard winters, yet I-80 is further north, facing alot harder winters, yet is in alot better shape. Unbelieveable.

Sorry for the little rant, but this has always been a very touchy subject for me...
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Old 08-02-2007, 06:02 PM
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True the interstates need repairs, but PLEASE don't give any control to the guys who run the Pennsylvania Turnpike. I don't know if it is State or Federal or Private groups that run it, but I cannot believe you have to pay to travel on it through Southern Pennsylvania and the road be in that sheety of shape, all of the time.

People always blame the hard winters, yet I-80 is further north, facing alot harder winters, yet is in alot better shape. Unbelieveable.

Sorry for the little rant, but this has always been a very touchy subject for me...
i haven't been on the penna turnpike in years...that good of shape, huh? sounds like arkansas roads...we don't need a welcome to arkansas sign, we KNOW when we've returned home!
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that are infrastructure is old and failing is true, and I think most people are aware of it. but for the pols its not such a sexy item, "elect me and we'll repair our bridges!". <yawn>

I imagine that this tragedy will get some attention to it.
we are not building and modernizing things such as dams, bridges, power plants, refineries, levees, rail, public transport, etc. it requires long term thinking and we don't excel at it.
of course the other small problem is paying for it.
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Old 08-02-2007, 05:33 PM
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that are infrastructure is old and failing is true, and I think most people are aware of it. but for the pols its not such a sexy item, "elect me and we'll repair our bridges!". <yawn>

I imagine that this tragedy will get some attention to it.
we are not building and modernizing things such as dams, bridges, power plants, refineries, levees, rail, public transport, etc. it requires long term thinking and we don't excel at it.
of course the other small problem is paying for it.
Which is where you will end up hearing people blame the Bush administration for it.

Not that it's his fault really, because nobody before him did anything either -- but now that the issue is front and center, people will start talking, start looking for the money, and realizing where it's all going, how wildly far in debt we are, and why we can't do anything about it even if we want to now.
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Old 08-02-2007, 06:05 PM
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Which is where you will end up hearing people blame the Bush administration for it.

Not that it's his fault really, because nobody before him did anything either -- but now that the issue is front and center, people will start talking, start looking for the money, and realizing where it's all going, how wildly far in debt we are, and why we can't do anything about it even if we want to now.
it's called prioritizing...and as was said above, it's not a sexy, elect me i'll fix the roads type subject. it appears we continue to ignore problems--as if katrina wasn't enough to force us to look to ourselves. this stuff doesn't last forever, and takes maintenance to keep fit.

it's a shame that with us being the richest nation in the world, that we have things such as what happened yesterday.
but then, after seeing a show on discovery that showed a major highway down in south america, i said i'd never complain about our roads again. it was a main thorofare, and was nothing more than a rutted dirt road--and not wide enough to allow comers and goers.

you'd think there would be a rotating plan on road and highway and bridge repairs.
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Old 08-02-2007, 06:26 PM
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Which is where you will end up hearing people blame the Bush administration for it.

Not that it's his fault really, because nobody before him did anything either -- but now that the issue is front and center, people will start talking, start looking for the money, and realizing where it's all going, how wildly far in debt we are, and why we can't do anything about it even if we want to now.
yeah if i were trying to make the argument for that side that's how I would play it, although its sorta bogus because even though the war is a huge cost, the infrastructure has been neglected for decades.
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at least there's a Quarter of A Billion dollars for this:

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feat...ges/index.html

Alaska is the 48th most populated State.

Alaska is the 4th biggest recipient of ($900 Mil +) of funds from the recent Transportation Act.

What a country.
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Old 08-02-2007, 06:58 PM
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yeah if i were trying to make the argument for that side that's how I would play it, although its sorta bogus because even though the war is a huge cost, the infrastructure has been neglected for decades.
While I normally am a culprit in trying to make arguments for the left side, I'm not trying to do that.

All I'm saying is that, while it's not Bush's fault that this happened because nobody has done anything major forever, it's just going to be a fine place for some to point out how poorly our finances have been managed in the last six and a half years.

Can they blame Bush for the bridge? No. But it will be a great partisan time for blasting a total lack of fiscal responsibility from the party of alleged fiscal responsibility when we get this in our face and go looking for money to make repairs to try to avoid a repeat in the future.

That's all I'm saying. Even I can't blame Bush for everything. Just most.
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