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[Indian Charlie]

Which would be more enjoyable?

Watching a grade 1 race run over the Del Mar poly track?

OR

Watching a 385 pound woman do a strip teaze?

[dylbert]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Which would be more enjoyable?

Watching a grade 1 race run over the Del Mar poly track?

OR

Watching a 385 pound woman do a strip teaze?

Well, I did watch Gr.1 race today on Del Mar polytrack and it was painful. Randy Moss made great point toward end of broadcast -- if any of top three from this race make BC Classic at Monmouth, they would be at least 30-1 morning line picks.

The differences in various synthetic surfaces is finally starting to gain attention of entire horse racing community. These differences appear more pronounced than differences in various dirt and turf courses in North America.

I will pass on 385 pound stripper... LOL

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by dylbert

Randy Moss made great point toward end of broadcast -- if any of top three from this race make BC Classic at Monmouth, they would be at least 30-1 morning line picks.

I heard him make that comment, as if to somehow invalidate the result of the race. Truth be told, the Pacific Classic was a very weak race, and no matter who the top three finishers were, with the exception of Lava Man, they would probably be at least 30-1 morning line in the BC Classic whether the Del Mar race was contested over Polytrack or a conventional dirt surface.

[2 Dollar Bill]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Which would be more enjoyable?

Watching a grade 1 race run over the Del Mar poly track?

OR

Watching a 385 pound woman do a strip teaze?

Excuse the expression....""which one gives you more BANG for the Buck ""?

[MisterB]

Niether one appeal to me.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by MisterB

Niether one appeal to me.

ok, you want a 385 lb man instead?

[Byebyemermaid]

I contemplated what to do and my decision is to make the stripper watch the race at Del- Mar and i'll atempt to do the striptease and if i make a $1 i'm way ahead.

[Suffolk Shippers]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Which would be more enjoyable?

Watching a grade 1 race run over the Del Mar poly track?

OR

Watching a 385 pound woman do a strip teaze?

Big chicks give good head lol

[viscount26]

Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers

Big chicks give good head lol

Interesting

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers

Big chicks give good head lol

I just don't what to say...

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Which would be more enjoyable?

Watching a grade 1 race run over the Del Mar poly track?

OR

Watching a 385 pound woman do a strip teaze?

Everybody desires a perfect world..

one problem.. what would everybody bitch and moan about?

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

It's really not about bitching and moaning for the sake of doing it. Surely by watching the graded races at Del Mar yesterday that were not on the turf, you could see that there is a problem. Like Miraja said, it's not about blanket statements for either side. Most fans are all for safety, but there has to be some other way than what is going on at Del Mar right now. There is nothing even remotely close to exciting about the racing there right now.

It's pretty exciting when you win.

I could care less if they run the mile and a quarter in 2:20.. if I have the winner, then I'm a big fan.

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

That's a great response. Listen, I'm a gambler as well, it's fine. but I am also a fan of the sport and there is nothing exciting for a fan of the sport on Del Mar's poly right now. I await another brilliant retort....

so I'm an idiot you say.. fine..

everybody's in the game for different reasons. What if I don't care about the times, or who's horse of the year, or if so and so gets his grade 1.

What keeps this sport going is gambling.

People are still betting on it.. so bitching and moaning and beating this dead horse is not going to change it.

damn.. deal with it.

yours truly,
great and brilliant.

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't know you well enough to have an opinion on your idiocy, but I think you are sort of missing the point. This is NOT a gambling concern that I am talking about. I realize people are gambling on it, people will gamble on anything. I'll deal with that if NY ends up going to poly.

It's a racing issue. the racing isn't interesting. You obviously aren't a fan, which is fine. But as a fan, it sucks. Not bitching and moaning, just saying it sucks.

cool

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't know you well enough to have an opinion on your idiocy, but I think you are sort of missing the point. This is NOT a gambling concern that I am talking about. I realize people are gambling on it, people will gamble on anything. I'll deal with that if NY ends up going to poly.

It's a racing issue. the racing isn't interesting. You obviously aren't a fan, which is fine. But as a fan, it sucks. Not bitching and moaning, just saying it sucks.

i simply don't get it either. specifically what sucks? I thoroughly enjoyed it and i consider myself a fan. probably some of the people that set a Del Mar wagering record yesterday also enjoyed it.
is it all because of the final time?

[Cajungator26]

I hate it that chicks can't have a say in this thread.

Oops.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't know how else I can say I am not talking about wagering. The race was a joke. I don't really know how else to explain it other than say if there was no poly. If I told you Student Council won the Pacific Classic you would tell me I am nuts.
Well he did, strictly because of the poly. Also, since he had never really showed a fondness for the poly, it just doesn't make sense. I know, Jerry Brown liked him, blah blah. Maybe I am a bit of a traditionalist but it has ruined racing out west for me. And this is not me being sour because I lost. I made one bet at Del Mar yesterday, a turf race. I won't tell you if I hit it or not, because I wouldn't want to be a dreaded redboarder. You like it, because you have had some success on it. I tend to think your opinion might be different if you didn't. We saw how quick Titan's changed.

Maybe I'm missing the point too -- but I enjoyed yesterday's race.

On poly, on dirt, anywhere -- that would have been a stupid weak Pacific Classic. I do understand those lamenting how speed horses don't hold their speed on some of the artifical surfaces, but in a way, I don't think that's an entirely bad thing for the future of the breed.

Someone above (cm?) mentioned that he used to love watching horses blaze out and dare someone to catch them -- maybe we're talking specifically about Del Mar only with that feeling, but I certainly enjoyed watching horses do that, and at a place like Arlington, still find it thrilling to watch that happen. Obviously Del Mar's surface needs to be worked on a bit and they'll need to adjust it to the weather/other outside factors, but I consider myself a "fan" of the game and I still enjoyed watching yesterday's race. It looked like a crapshoot going in, and looked like a crapshoot coming out, so I'm not seeing the problem. When you've got a field comprised of mostly glorified West Coast mid-to-high-end claimers, isn't Student Council winning a GI sort of the thing you should expect to be possible?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't know how else I can say I am not talking about wagering. The race was a joke. I don't really know how else to explain it other than say if there was no poly. If I told you Student Council won the Pacific Classic you would tell me I am nuts.
Well he did, strictly because of the poly. Also, since he had never really showed a fondness for the poly, it just doesn't make sense. I know, Jerry Brown liked him, blah blah. Maybe I am a bit of a traditionalist but it has ruined racing out west for me. And this is not me being sour because I lost. I made one bet at Del Mar yesterday, a turf race. I won't tell you if I hit it or not, because I wouldn't want to be a dreaded redboarder. You like it, because you have had some success on it. I tend to think your opinion might be different if you didn't. We saw how quick Titan's changed.

Student Council didn't win strictly because of the poly. You're a good handicapper, and by now you surely have seen that he and Awesome Gem had the best TG#'s. Surely you can also recognize that he is impeccably bred for distance and that he was steadily getting better. Is it really such a shock that a horse with that talent and breeding would excel at 10 furlongs against a highly questionable group. Based on your traditionalist viewpoint, who would have been a more deserving winner from that field? Have you never seen upsets on dirt? If they ran the race on dirt and anyone other than Lava Man won, would you be calling that a joke as well? You should because there were no proven horses with classic distance GR1 credentials. Only Lava Man, and his credentials are somewhat suspect for reasons that have been reviewed over and over.

To me the joke is that Student Council was given less respect than horses like AP Xcellent, Big Booster, Albertus Maximus? The other joke is that more people couldn't see the writing on the wall in terms of Lava Man sending him off at even money after having had to gut out a win against AP Xcellent who has absolutely zero GR1 credentials.

I would just suggest that you might want to be a little more open minded and view the result in a context that is not so heavily colored by the surface. I think the surface effected the final time and little else about the outcome other than perhaps some of the margins.

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm curious Titan. Around 2 weeks ago you were calling the poly crap and that you would only let yourself invest $12 on the "stuff". What brought about the big change of opinion?

watched enough of it and figured it out.. I guess.

It's definitely different than handicapping dirt

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Which would be more enjoyable?

Watching a grade 1 race run over the Del Mar poly track?

OR

Watching a 385 pound woman do a strip teaze?

How about turning this into the most mind boggling phenomenon...

and then adding the third choice of reading The Petition to Let Morton out of his playroom thread.


too easy forget it.

Where was the really good horses will win on any surface idea gone?

I believe some Euros have come over here, run backwards on a foreign surface (dirt) and won.
Maybe this will give us the chance to witness a true superstar. Wins on dirt, grass, and syn. You cant beat this horse on anything. I looking forward to the possibilty. The stuff is not going anywhere soon. And if NY puts some in, and it catches and spreads... the Universe as we know it will fold in on itself creating infinite space in the smallest possible volume. It could be that catastrophic.
When Baffert quits, we know the calamity is upon us. Big crybaby.