Lies & Lying Liars that tell them

[Kasept]

There can be no sadder figure in the NY franchise scenario than hapless Jeff Perle... His parade of lies and mistatements from the start of the franchise battle have been laughable, and he tried to slip another past in Newsday:

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/na...ghtrail-flashy

When Spitzer took office on Jan. 1, "there was no part of New York State government that needed change more desperately than NYRA and racing. Not only were they indicted, but then they went bankrupt," said Jeffrey Perlee, chief executive of Empire Racing --

This above highlighted section is yet another of Perle's desperate, pathetic, multi-facetted lies.

1.) NYRA is NOT, never was, and never will be PART OF NEW YORK STATE GOVERNMENT. Perle has tried to perpetuate this fallacy in an attempt to goad the public into thinking that NYRA is beholden to them as a public trust of some kind. It isn't and wasn't...

2.) "When Spitzer took office on Jan. 1", the federal deferred prosecution indictment against NYRA had been dropped, with NYRA having satisfied the government's requirements for it to be dropped...

3.) NYRA's filing for protection was a clever defensive posture in their land claim with the state, and came only when NY Governor Geo. Pataki conspired to withhold a portion of the $30 million advance the state had agreed to give NYRA. That advance was necessitated by the Pataki administration's conspiratorial efforts to hold off construction of the Aqueduct slot parlor to guarantee their ability to crony in Pataki's own choice(s) for the franchise...

Sad and desperate... Jeff Perle.


Also joining in on the frivolity, Andrew Goodell of Capital Play:

Andrew Goodell of Capital Play, another of the companies bidding and one of whose partners helps run the Melbourne Cup, disagreed. "The difference between us and NYRA is our attendance numbers go up and theirs go down. Our revenue has doubled in the last five years, while NYRA has gone into bankruptcy," he said.

Whoa... hold on there, mate! There's a few differences between you and NY racing! Mr. Goodell fails to mention that Australia is blessed with one (1).. count it, one, OTB/tote company.. the government's TAB. Let's see Capital Play's revenue stream after they grapple with NY's odious OTB corporations that have had a stranglehold on NYRA's profitability opportunity for 30 years..

And Jeff and Andy... one more thing. NYRA's a non-profit corporation... You ain't, are you? BOTH these entities that are telling us how much they're going to do for NY racing keep failing to tell you how... INCREASED TAKEOUT.. And INCREASED ADMISSION/TICKET PRICES.. There's a formula that will raise all boats, eh?

Thanks for the giggles boys.. I have a suggestion though. Call Magna Entertainment in Toronto. They have some racetracks that you might be interested in!

[johnny pinwheel]

i couldn't agree with you more. the only reason these people want nyra out is theres something in it for them. we will be at the mercy of some corporate set up that answers to stockholders. does anyone really think as bettors we will get more value.

[KY_Sasquash]

Originally Posted by Kasept

There can be no sadder figure in the NY franchise scenario than hapless Jeff Perle... His parade of lies and mistatements from the start of the franchise battle have been laughable, and he tried to slip another past in Newsday:

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/na...ghtrail-flashy

When Spitzer took office on Jan. 1, "there was no part of New York State government that needed change more desperately than NYRA and racing. Not only were they indicted, but then they went bankrupt," said Jeffrey Perlee, chief executive of Empire Racing --

This above highlighted section is yet another of Perle's desperate, pathetic, multi-facetted lies.

1.) NYRA is NOT, never was, and never will be PART OF NEW YORK STATE GOVERNMENT. Perle has tried to perpetuate this fallacy in an attempt to goad the public into thinking that NYRA is beholden to them as a public trust of some kind. It isn't and wasn't...

2.) "When Spitzer took office on Jan. 1", the federal deferred prosecution indictment against NYRA had been dropped, with NYRA having satisfied the government's requirements for it to be dropped...

3.) NYRA's filing for protection was a clever defensive posture in their land claim with the state, and came only when NY Governor Geo. Pataki conspired to withhold a portion of the $30 million advance the state had agreed to give NYRA. That advance was necessitated by the Pataki administration's conspiratorial efforts to hold off construction of the Aqueduct slot parlor to guarantee their ability to crony in Pataki's own choice(s) for the franchise...

Sad and desperate... Jeff Perle.


Also joining in on the frivolity, Andrew Goodell of Capital Play:

Andrew Goodell of Capital Play, another of the companies bidding and one of whose partners helps run the Melbourne Cup, disagreed. "The difference between us and NYRA is our attendance numbers go up and theirs go down. Our revenue has doubled in the last five years, while NYRA has gone into bankruptcy," he said.

Whoa... hold on there, mate! There's a few differences between you and NY racing! Mr. Goodell fails to mention that Australia is blessed with one (1).. count it, one, OTB/tote company.. the government's TAB. Let's see Capital Play's revenue stream after they grapple with NY's odious OTB corporations that have had a stranglehold on NYRA's profitability opportunity for 30 years..

And Jeff and Andy... one more thing. NYRA's a non-profit corporation... You ain't, are you? BOTH these entities that are telling us how much they're going to do for NY racing keep failing to tell you how... INCREASED TAKEOUT.. And INCREASED ADMISSION/TICKET PRICES.. There's a formula that will raise all boats, eh?

Thanks for the giggles boys.. I have a suggestion though. Call Magna Entertainment in Toronto. They have some racetracks that you might be interested in!

I love it Steve! Get after them!

[ShadowRoll]

Although it's not a quick or convenient trip for me to NY, I've visited Aqueduct and Saratoga, and have been to Belmont many times, and almost always (Smarty's Belmont was a bit too crowded for my taste) had a good experience.

As to who is the most bettor-friendly, the proof is in the pudding. Lowest takeout on the east coast, and the NYRA has held the line on admission pricing, even for the big days like Belmont Day and when they hosted the Breeders Cup. This point was painfully brought home to me this year when I shelled out for a couple of tickets to see the BC at Monmouth.

At least as far as the bottom line for us common folk, I've got to believe that any other entity running the NY tracks will be bad news.

[sumitas]

This article from bloodhorse lays out the financial woes of Magna. Doesn't seem this company, a part of Empire, should qualify to run any part of NY racing based on their performance. And as a result, Empire as a whole should be dismissed. This has gotten political real quick since Gov. Sptizer set out his blue print for NYRA to continue to run NY racing.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/articleind...e.asp?id=40771

I wonder how much money has been spent by the various bidders trying to "influence" Albany lawmakers. I'd like to see the Gov. of NYS continue to lead this process, not some of the political hacks in the NYS Senate.

Sounds like the original poster has some connections to NYRA?

Defend them all you want but the facts are that NYRA went bankrupt and NYRA has been indicted.

As a writer, which you are, you need to learn how to read words correctly.

Perhaps you should take out a dictionary and learn the meaning of the words WERE and WENT.

Pretty sloppy calling somebody a Liar when what they are stating is 100% factually correct. The only error is saying that NYRA is part of the government. And that isn't lying, that is just incompetence. So maybe he doesn't qualify to be running racing in NY, but his incompetence does make me think he would make a good member of the NYRA gate crew. LOL

Please stick to facts and stop with the cheerleading.

Perhaps you have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise?

[sumitas]

The Gov has cited NYRA as the new franchise holder. Why should hacks be allowed to alter that ? How much money has Bruno's son been paid to lobby for Empire ?

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

Sounds like the original poster has some connections to NYRA?

Defend them all you want but the facts are that NYRA went bankrupt and NYRA has been indicted.

As a writer, which you are, you need to learn how to read words correctly.

Perhaps you should take out a dictionary and learn the meaning of the words WERE and WENT.

Pretty sloppy calling somebody a Liar when what they are stating is 100% factually correct. The only error is saying that NYRA is part of the government. And that isn't lying, that is just incompetence. So maybe he doesn't qualify to be running racing in NY, but his incompetence does make me think he would make a good member of the NYRA gate crew. LOL

Please stick to facts and stop with the cheerleading.

Perhaps you have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise?

And do you THINK that these slot driven groups can do any better with the "on track" race product? I THINK NOT! I just "so called" horseplayers that think these groups can think anyone can do better than NYRA. New York racing is the BEST in the country.....why "F" with! Facts are NYRA has straighten up thier act, I want GOOD racing and can less about the VLTS. Trouble is...you guys believe everything you see in print. Do me a favor...DON'T PLAY if it's that troubling to you!

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

Please stick to facts and stop with the cheerleading.

Perhaps you have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise?

I do have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise and I make no apologies about doing so.. In addition, I don't want take out increased as Capital Play and Empire BOTH outlined in their proposals to the state as part of their 'innovative' approaches.

And as a side note, until some else pays the bills at this website, I'll cheerlead all I want..

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I do have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise and I make no apologies about doing so.. In addition, I don't want take out increased as Capital Play and Empire BOTH outlined in their proposals to the state as part of their 'innovative' approaches.

And as a side note, until some else pays the bills at this website, I'll cheerlead all I want..

Go Steve! Just wonder what these people think how much better it would be with these groups who know NOTHING about thoroughbred racing running racing in the Empire State.

[theiman]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I do have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise and I make no apologies about doing so.. In addition, I don't want take out increased as Capital Play and Empire BOTH outlined in their proposals to the state as part of their 'innovative' approaches.

And as a side note, until some else pays the bills at this website, I'll cheerlead all I want..

The title of this topic is: Lies & Lying Liars that tell them

Please explain to me what was the lie that Mr. Goodell stated in your first post.

Also joining in on the frivolity, Andrew Goodell of Capital Play:

Andrew Goodell of Capital Play, another of the companies bidding and one of whose partners helps run the Melbourne Cup, disagreed. "The difference between us and NYRA is our attendance numbers go up and theirs go down. Our revenue has doubled in the last five years, while NYRA has gone into bankruptcy," he said.


I cant argue with you on Mr. Perle's statement.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by theiman

The title of this topic is: Lies & Lying Liars that tell them

Please explain to me what was the lie that Mr. Goodell stated in your first post.

Also joining in on the frivolity, Andrew Goodell of Capital Play:

[b]Andrew Goodell of Capital Play, another of the companies bidding and one of whose partners helps run the Melbourne Cup, disagreed. "The difference between us and NYRA is our attendance numbers go up and theirs go down. Our revenue has doubled in the last five years, while NYRA has gone into bankruptcy," he said.


I cant argue with you on Mr. Perle's statement.

And do they race year round in Australia ? I think the Saratoga numbers have been pretty good the last 20 years.

Meanwhile, racing in your state has been booming

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by theiman

The title of this topic is: Lies & Lying Liars that tell them

Please explain to me what was the lie that Mr. Goodell stated in your first post.

Also joining in on the frivolity, Andrew Goodell of Capital Play:

Andrew Goodell of Capital Play, another of the companies bidding and one of whose partners helps run the Melbourne Cup, disagreed. "The difference between us and NYRA is our attendance numbers go up and theirs go down. Our revenue has doubled in the last five years, while NYRA has gone into bankruptcy," he said.


I cant argue with you on Mr. Perle's statement.

Actually you are incorrect - his statement is a lie..since NYRA is not part of the NYS Government then it makes the whole statement an un-truth and therefore a lie...

As an example..if I said a did not sleep with your wife - yet I had- but I did not sleep..that would still be a lie...get it now?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I do have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise and I make no apologies about doing so.. In addition, I don't want take out increased as Capital Play and Empire BOTH outlined in their proposals to the state as part of their 'innovative' approaches.

And as a side note, until some else pays the bills at this website, I'll cheerlead all I want..

[KY_Sasquash]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I do have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise and I make no apologies about doing so.. In addition, I don't want take out increased as Capital Play and Empire BOTH outlined in their proposals to the state as part of their 'innovative' approaches.

And as a side note, until some else pays the bills at this website, I'll cheerlead all I want..

"Im finishing my coffee"-Walter Sojak

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

Sounds like the original poster has some connections to NYRA?

Defend them all you want but the facts are that NYRA went bankrupt and NYRA has been indicted.

As a writer, which you are, you need to learn how to read words correctly.

Perhaps you should take out a dictionary and learn the meaning of the words WERE and WENT.

Pretty sloppy calling somebody a Liar when what they are stating is 100% factually correct. The only error is saying that NYRA is part of the government. And that isn't lying, that is just incompetence. So maybe he doesn't qualify to be running racing in NY, but his incompetence does make me think he would make a good member of the NYRA gate crew. LOL

Please stick to facts and stop with the cheerleading.

Perhaps you have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise?

i have no ties to NYRA but as i stated i agree with him on the original post. please tell me what circuit offers better racing consistantly through the year. answer: none. the only time racing is inferior up here is the dead of winter. thats because all the major players go south to gulfstream. people with money don't like cold weather. if it were not for that fact magna would probably have gulfstream park for sale too! as for the bankrupcy, its being fixed . it was a poor business model that needed updating. NYRA in the summer is a boom to my city and all of upstate. Face it folks their superior product brings alot $$$$ to new york , forget NYRA's bottom line. which is the part i like anyway. They don't need to be in it for a ton of profit. If you don't like paying 3 bucks to get in, 5 on travers day, low take outs and the fastest horses in the world. Go ahead see how fast one these other operations screw it up for the average bettor. Australian racing ...lol.. i've watched it . looks like they're running in a backyard pasture. when they can beat the likes of Invasor or Rags to Riches maybe i'll listen to them.

[theiman]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i have no ties to NYRA but as i stated i agree with him on the original post. please tell me what circuit offers better racing consistantly through the year. answer: none. the only time racing is inferior up here is the dead of winter. thats because all the major players go south to gulfstream. people with money don't like cold weather. if it were not for that fact magna would probably have gulfstream park for sale too! as for the bankrupcy, its being fixed . it was a poor business model that needed updating. NYRA in the summer is a boom to my city and all of upstate. Face it folks their superior product brings alot $$$$ to new york , forget NYRA's bottom line. which is the part i like anyway. They don't need to be in it for a ton of profit. If you don't like paying 3 bucks to get in, 5 on travers day, low take outs and the fastest horses in the world. Go ahead see how fast one these other operations screw it up for the average bettor. Australian racing ...lol.. i've watched it . looks like they're running in a backyard pasture. when they can beat the likes of Invasor or Rags to Riches maybe i'll listen to them.

Big A runs for 6.5 months a year and that is inferior alone, not just dead of winter. Big A has about 2 races that anyone else other than regulars in NY watch and those are the Cigar Mile and the Wood.

As for Australia, Invasor might have done well there, but RTR would have been blown away, IMO.

Neither of the horses you mentioned could have beaten Makybe Diva at any distance. Within a span of 2 months she won from 7F to 2 miles, and won 2 races in between that, any she didnt get to race against tiny fields either.

The races you must have seen from Australia were Prov. tracks, mid week, similar to TDN or TurP here.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by theiman

Big A runs for 6.5 months a year and that is inferior alone, not just dead of winter. Big A has about 2 races that anyone else other than regulars in NY watch and those are the Cigar Mile and the Wood.

As for Australia, Invasor might have done well there, but RTR would have been blown away, IMO.

Neither of the horses you mentioned could have beaten Makybe Diva at any distance. Within a span of 2 months she won from 7F to 2 miles, and won 2 races in between that, any she didnt get to race against tiny fields either.

The races you must have seen from Australia were Prov. tracks, mid week, similar to TDN or TurP here.

aqueduct is not that bad. especially that time of the year. look at california, their racing is going downhill, small fields, and horses that are not competeing well at the top level. Student council can go there and win grade 1. and the 3 yo's were crap again this year.. other than Rags to riches who crushed the california circuit before heading east. that brings me to the poly track which at keenland and del mar is a farce. those meets are pretty much ruined except for grass . so watch ny get even better horses. you are right i was watching mid week so i don't know much about their racing. but in international competition they don't win much. where on the dirt surface we pretty much "clean house ". so you really don't know how fast they are against top comp. i could care less about how many different distances you win at if the horse is good and is running against inferior horses of course that horse will win everthing. how many dirt races have they won at dubai. where we come in 1st , 2nd and 3rd in many . i don't see the shieks buying some australian horse to try and win the sprint race they went right for Diabolical. any one that thinks our dirt horses don't dominate is crazy