Fab strike

[Cannon Shell]

If Fabulous Strike is actually doing as well as his trainer Todd Beattie believes, he should have an impact in Sunday's Grade 1, $400,000 Vosburgh Stakes at six furlongs.


Who does drugs root for when 2 of his favs match up?

[King Glorious]

I'm trying but I just don't see this horse having a chance at all.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I'm trying but I just don't see this horse having a chance at all.

You're trying? Based on which pps are you trying?

[The Bid]

Is Talent Search in?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Is Talent Search in?

Only King Glorious knows. He, apparently, has the pps and such for a race being drawn tomorrow.

[The Bid]

I was wondering where he was getting the info. Ive heard hes going and doing great. Should be a factor. Looking foward to the pps

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Only King Glorious knows. He, apparently, has the pps and such for a race being drawn tomorrow.

classic stuff

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Only King Glorious knows. He, apparently, has the pps and such for a race being drawn tomorrow.

I have them...I got them from corina.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Only King Glorious knows. He, apparently, has the pps and such for a race being drawn tomorrow.

I didn't know it was a requirement to have past performances before one can determine if they think a certain horse might be a factor in a race. But as always, you are correct. I suppose that if I told you today that La Traviata is going next in the BC Classic, you wouldn't be able to discount her chances until after you see the pps.

Sometimes, I like to do radical things like look at a projected field during the week leading to a race and try to figure out who I might like in that race. For example, if I knew Commentator was going to be in the Vosburgh, I would say that I didn't think he had a chance at all. Why? Because I've seen him run in top sprint races before. I don't need to see any pps to know what Commentator does. Same with Fabulous Strike. He's not going to have an easy time of it like he did in some of his big performances and I see him doing a fold job like he did in Florida when he's challenged up front.

[robfla]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Is Talent Search in?

Talent Search is expected to run. As well as First Defence, Mach Ride, and the "perfect trip" Will He Shine

I have been out of the loop for a while, but I do remember the race at Calder and from what the connections of Fab Strike were claiming is that FS had a case of the thumps for that race. Also, it was about 105 degrees that day with a 99% humidity.. So I throw that race out and go from there.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I'm trying but I just don't see this horse having a chance at all.

no chance?!
could you expand on that? what in particular about him do you find that brings you to that conclusion? or is it just a matter of no horse stands a chance against Discreet Cat.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

no chance?!
could you expand on that? what in particular about him do you find that brings you to that conclusion? or is it just a matter of no horse stands a chance against Discreet Cat.

A combination of both. I don't like Fabulous Strike's chances of getting and holding the lead here against the type of pace he's likely to encounter based on which horses are currently projected to be entered (hope that wording it that way satisfies Master BTW). I thought his fade in Florida showed more than his wins in WV and Kentucky. I also feel that if Discreet Cat is anywhere close to 100%, the race is over already.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

A combination of both. I don't like Fabulous Strike's chances of getting and holding the lead here against the type of pace he's likely to encounter based on which horses are currently projected to be entered (hope that wording it that way satisfies Master BTW). I thought his fade in Florida showed more than his wins in WV and Kentucky. I also feel that if Discreet Cat is anywhere close to 100%, the race is over already.

Could it be that Fabulous Strike just didnt like the Calder surface? He wouldnt be the first horse. Smokey Stover didnt seem to care too much for it that either.

but I agree...Discreet Cat will win...and make 3/5 look like value.

[SentToStud]

I don't think you need past performances to have a negative opinion about Fabulous Strike, especially if the Vosburgh comes up looking as good as a reasonable Grade 2.

Just who has he beaten?

He went 22 2/5 cruising along at Churchill while beating the mighty Gaff and Cougar Something.

Then at Calder, he went 21 2/5 against Weigelia and folded.

He's a very fast horse with very marginal and doubtful class. I can see betting a high speed fig, cheap horse at a big price, but he's not going to be a price.

I think there's a 1/5 chance that he didn't like Calder and has an excuse. But he still hasn't shown any ability to go fast early vs the class he's going to see in his next race and be anywhere close at the end.

He's a toss for me.

[blackthroatedwind]

Personally, I think one of the worst things anyone can do is form a strong opinion without reviewing the pps after the draw. I understand we all have our own personal biases, but deciding against a horse, without objectively seeing the race on paper, is a certain road to losing.

I understand the criticisms of Fabulous Strike, and don't even necessarily disagree, but to me, it is impossible to have an informed and definitive opinion over a day before the race is even drawn. At least as far as potential contenders are concerned.

[horseofcourse]

I still don't get the love affair with Discreet Cat. What exactly has the horse done?? He's a 4 year old who has run all of 7 races in his career?? What horses did he beat in the Cigar and Jerome....his 2 signature US wins?? So he's averaging slightly under 3 races per year I take it?? I just don't get it. I really hope he loses. If he destroys this field, I guess I'll get it maybe a little more. I'm sorry, I just don't see the Cigar, Jerome, and Vosburgh, as really big-time, BIG TIME races.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I still don't get the love affair with Discreet Cat. What exactly has the horse done?? He's a 4 year old who has run all of 7 races in his career?? What horses did he beat in the Cigar and Jerome....his 2 signature US wins?? So he's averaging slightly under 3 races per year I take it?? I just don't get it. I really hope he loses. If he destroys this field, I guess I'll get it maybe a little more. I'm sorry, I just don't see the Cigar, Jerome, and Vosburgh, as really big-time, BIG TIME races.

you're not alone.

[Theatrical]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I still don't get the love affair with Discreet Cat. What exactly has the horse done?? He's a 4 year old who has run all of 7 races in his career?? What horses did he beat in the Cigar and Jerome....his 2 signature US wins?? So he's averaging slightly under 3 races per year I take it?? I just don't get it. I really hope he loses. If he destroys this field, I guess I'll get it maybe a little more. I'm sorry, I just don't see the Cigar, Jerome, and Vosburgh, as really big-time, BIG TIME races.

Agree 100%.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Who does drugs root for when 2 of his favs match up?

Discreet Cat.

Fabulous Strike has yet to prove he can handle hot fractions and stay on - and he's yet to prove he can rate and be as effective as he needs to be to win a race like the Vosburgh.

I made several visits to the backside to see him - and he certainly looks outstanding. Dick Beattie, who was deputizing for an absent Todd Beattie, has been raving about how well he's been doing each and every time I went back to see him.

FS and I have become good friends - but Discreet Cat is the Chuck Norris of thoroughbreds.

[The Bid]

TID, where do you put Talent Search in the mix if he goes