Dixie Chatter, Attila's Storm Out

Kasept · #1 10-25-2007, 09:09 AM

From backstretch:

Dixie Chatter: Fever...

Attila's Storm: Ankle...

Fevers may continue to be a problem with weather shift...

paisjpq · #2 10-25-2007, 09:13 AM

fevers are not caused by weather.

Cannon Shell · #3 10-25-2007, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

fevers are not caused by weather.

However rapid changes in temperature can cause stress related sickness in racehorses

Theatrical · #4 10-25-2007, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

However rapid changes in temperature can cause stress related sickness in racehorses

We had a horse colic Tuesday night and it was attributed to the drop in temperature.

paisjpq · #5 10-25-2007, 01:05 PM

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We had a horse colic Tuesday night and it was attributed to the drop in temperature.

this time of year it isn't so much caused by the temp shift as much as it is that grasses in the paddock begin to hoard fructan (to stay alive) which can cause a horse to colic....assuming the horse has paddock access....also as the weather cools many horses don't drink enough water, because they aren't sweating as much and can get themselves into trouble that way.

Theatrical · #6 10-25-2007, 07:24 PM

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this time of year it isn't so much caused by the temp shift as much as it is that grasses in the paddock begin to hoard fructan (to stay alive) which can cause a horse to colic....assuming the horse has paddock access....also as the weather cools many horses don't drink enough water, because they aren't sweating as much and can get themselves into trouble that way.

This horse is out 23 hrs. of the day and runs with 7 others. Plenty of pasture, coastal hay and water. No changes in food whatsoever. Less water consumption, maybe. Whatever it was caused a pretty severe gas buildup.

paisjpq · #7 10-25-2007, 01:04 PM

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However rapid changes in temperature can cause stress related sickness in racehorses

so can shipping across the country in a poorly ventilated airplane ....and so can a bad post draw......but the temps merly exacerbate the stress which can cause immune disruption....the weather itself is not the cause, because a healthy animal wouldn't be bothered by swings in temperature.

Cannon Shell · #8 10-25-2007, 01:32 PM

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so can shipping across the country in a poorly ventilated airplane ....and so can a bad post draw......but the temps merly exacerbate the stress which can cause immune disruption....the weather itself is not the cause, because a healthy animal wouldn't be bothered by swings in temperature.

but there is a relation between weather and sickness though

Cannon Shell · #9 10-25-2007, 01:34 PM

I believe you get your entry money back if you get a vet to scratch you by the way...

paisjpq · #10 10-25-2007, 01:44 PM

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but there is a relation between weather and sickness though

there is a much bigger realation between stress and sickness than weather and sickness....and you know as well as I do that if these horses are sick it is likely shipping fever

Riot · #11 10-25-2007, 02:51 PM

Cold weather (or airplane rides) cause physically dried out airways due to colder and less humid evironmental conditions.

If your airway dries out, you lose your nice mucociliary defense system to carry crap out of your airways, and your nose/nasal cavities dry out and the cells are more susceptible to letting something in.

Even though the four arms of your immune system are working 100% and you are 100% healthy.

Humans can spray saline nasal spray during an airplane ride, horses can't. Drinking alot of water helps keep your airways hydrated, too - so horses that don't drink when the weather changes , or when they are on an airplane, or when they travel, are more suceptible to upper airway infections and colics.

As are humans, who often get "colds" after airplane rides, especially if they have dehydrated themselves with alcohol, and not drunk enough water while traveling. Being stuck in a contained space with new viruses and bacteria doesn't help, either.

The concept of "weak immune systems" and "stress compromising your immune system" is mostly an exaggerated TV ad thing to sell product.

Unless one has a serious immune disease, the four arms of your immune system are working fine. It takes an incredible amount of stress (cortisol release, etc) to disrupt that. You can have an excellent immune system and be 100% healthy and still get sick.

jms62 · #12 10-25-2007, 09:13 AM

The cynic in me says hmmm when I see post position 10+ scratching with a fever.. When a horse scratches for a fever, is this verified by the track vet or are we taking hte trainer at his word ?

blackthroatedwind · #13 10-25-2007, 09:36 AM

This year's " fevers " appear to have been contracted at the draw.

#14 10-25-2007, 09:37 AM

What they need is more cowbell.

Merlinsky · #15 10-25-2007, 05:03 PM

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What they need is more cowbell.

Heh.

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Actually great news because you just saved money ...

By switching to GEICO?

outofthebox · #16 10-25-2007, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62

The cynic in me says hmmm when I see post position 10+ scratching with a fever.. When a horse scratches for a fever, is this verified by the track vet or are we taking hte trainer at his word ?

The stewards/track vets basically take the trainers word that the horse has a fever. Ive yet to see a track vet actually take the horses temperature to varify it. Some will want verification that the trainers personal vet has treated the horse with antibiotics..

Cannon Shell · #17 10-25-2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62

The cynic in me says hmmm when I see post position 10+ scratching with a fever.. When a horse scratches for a fever, is this verified by the track vet or are we taking hte trainer at his word ?

In stake races the trainer can scratch for any reason up to 45 mins to post. Plus most state vets barely have time to do the job that they have let alone going around taking tempatures.

KY_Sasquash · #18 10-25-2007, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

From backstretch:

Dixie Chatter: Fever...

Attila's Storm: Ankle...

Fevers may continue to be a problem with weather shift...

terrible news-i wanted to play both of these.

my miss storm cat · #19 10-25-2007, 10:13 AM

DRF...

Attila's Storm, Dixie Chatter scratched
By JAY PRIVMAN and MIKE WELSCH

OCEANPORT, N.J. – Attila's Storm, who was entered in the Breeders' Cup Sprint, and Dixie Chatter, who was entered in the Breeders' Cup Juvenile, were scratched from their respective Saturday races on Thursday morning at Monmouth Park.

Attila's Storm has a filling in an ankle, according to trainer Rich Schosberg, who said X-rays were inconclusive.

"I'm sure it's nothing major, but we're certainly taking no risks," Schosberg said.

Dixie Chatter came up with a fever, according to his trainer, Richard Mandella.

"It's not anything serious," Mandella said Thursday morning. "He had a little temperature last night, and it was 102 this morning. He didn't eat his feed. So we went ahead and treated him with medication and scratched him. It puts a little kibosh on the weekend."

Dixie Chatter traveled from California on the same plane as Cry and Catch Me, who on Wednesday was withdrawn from the Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies with a similar illness.

Danzig · #20 10-25-2007, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

DRF...

Attila's Storm, Dixie Chatter scratched
By JAY PRIVMAN and MIKE WELSCH

OCEANPORT, N.J. – Attila's Storm, who was entered in the Breeders' Cup Sprint, and Dixie Chatter, who was entered in the Breeders' Cup Juvenile, were scratched from their respective Saturday races on Thursday morning at Monmouth Park.

Attila's Storm has a filling in an ankle, according to trainer Rich Schosberg, who said X-rays were inconclusive.

"I'm sure it's nothing major, but we're certainly taking no risks," Schosberg said.

Dixie Chatter came up with a fever, according to his trainer, Richard Mandella.

"It's not anything serious," Mandella said Thursday morning. "He had a little temperature last night, and it was 102 this morning. He didn't eat his feed. So we went ahead and treated him with medication and scratched him. It puts a little kibosh on the weekend."

Dixie Chatter traveled from California on the same plane as Cry and Catch Me, who on Wednesday was withdrawn from the Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies with a similar illness.

that wench...probably a little too much smooching going on!