Worse KY Derby winner...

[whodey17]

Since 1984, who has been the worse Ky Derby winner? For me it is Giacomo with Grindstone coming in a close 2nd.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Sea Hero in a romp.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Sea Hero in a romp.

One of Steve's and my wife's favorite

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Sea Hero in a romp.

Worse than Giacomo?

You have left the building dude.

I realize you were still in diapers when Sea Hero won, but he did win the Champagne as a 2YO and the Travers as a 3YO.

Was he a monster? No. But he did win some decent races besides the Derby.

[Holland Hacker]

I'm gonna have to go with Lil E. Tee. in 1992.

I agree with Andy that Sea Hero was a solid performer and I'm reminded of that every time I visit the Paddock a Saratoga.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Holland Hacker

I'm gonna have to go with Lil E. Tee. in 1992.

Lil E. Tee would have murdered both Sea Hero and my beloved Giacomo.

[Danzig]

lil e tee really wasn't that bad a horse. gets a lot of undeserved grief.

[Benny Leger]

Originally Posted by Holland Hacker

I'm gonna have to go with Lil E. Tee. in 1992.

I agree with Andy that Sea Hero was a solid performer and I'm reminded of that every time I visit the Paddock a Saratoga.

I wish I could buy just one like Lil E. Tee, who sold for a mere two thousand bucks as a yearling. 14 starts (7-4-1) earning 1.4 mil...."he deed enuff"

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I know of no record that shows Lil E. Tee selling for 2K as a yearling.

He did sell for 25K at the OBS April 2yo sale, and I know the trainer who bought him out of that sale.

After one monster maiden win and a subsequent private sale, he lossed him.

[freddymo]

DrugS joke o mo is barely a grade 2 beast. Sea Hero was at least regally bred...check the DRF Travers day..It's right there in black and white

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Worse than Giacomo?

You have left the building dude.

I realize you were still in diapers when Sea Hero won, but he did win the Champagne as a 2YO and the Travers as a 3YO.

Was he a monster? No. But he did win some decent races besides the Derby.

First of all, I still am in diapers.

Second of all, I followed national racing closely in '93 as we got feeds from all major tracks on cable here, and Sea Hero was an inconsistant dog biscuit. He was 0-for-11 with just ONE 2nd place finish on fast tracks besides his heroic Derby and Travers eyesore wins.

Third of all, your boy who started this thread asked for the worst Derby winner since '84 - not the least accomplished. So Sea Hero's wins in the Champagne over the oh so fabulous stayer Secret Odds and his win in the Travers over the 4-for-35 lifetime Kissin Kris don't translate to performance points like they do to acomplishment points.

Fourth of all, I bet on Giacomo in the Derby and even relentlessly touted him to the message board world before the race. Which means I had to (no doubt very wrongly) think he had some ability to go along with the dream race shape he was going to get in the race.

Fifth of all, Giacomo's mastery of Sun King - a dominant 3-for-3 in head-to-head matchups - really underlines the point that......nevermind - Sun King blows. Bad example.

Giacomo might be the second worst Derby winner since '84...but, lets not overlook all of his fine qualities. He has an Italian name, he won me money, and he was 4th beaten just four lengths to Invasor, Bernardini, and Premium Tap in the final start of his career. Sea Hero finished his career as a 4yo with seven straight losses - and went off at 7/2 or less in each and every one of those starts.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Fifth of all, Giacomo's mastery of Sun King - a dominant 3-for-3 in head-to-head matchups - really underlines the point that......nevermind - Sun King blows. Bad example.

Giacomo might be the second worst Derby winner since '84...but, lets not overlook all of his fine qualities. He has an Italian name, he won me money, and he was 4th beaten just four lengths to Invasor, Bernardini, and Premium Tap in the final start of his career. Sea Hero finished his career as a 4yo with seven straight losses - and went off at 7/2 or less in each and every one of those starts.

Giacomo was a better horse than ever given credit for....even if he was the 2nd worst Derby winner.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Worse than Giacomo?

You have left the building dude.

I realize you were still in diapers when Sea Hero won, but he did win the Champagne as a 2YO and the Travers as a 3YO.

Was he a monster? No. But he did win some decent races besides the Derby.

Absolutely agree. Sea Hero wasn't exactly consistent, but he could really pick his spots. How many others have pulled this triple?

I think it's Lil E Tee, losing to Giacomo by a nose. Giacomo ran decently in the triple crown series, and he did beat Afleet Alex. L E T...I can't recall anything of note.

War Emblem had a great 3 race stretch, bias or not. His Preakness was huge with the pace pressure he put away that day.

Boy that Thunder Gulch sure sucked.

[Bravado2112]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

I think it's Lil E Tee, losing to Giacomo by a nose. Giacomo ran decently in the triple crown series, and he did beat Afleet Alex. L E T...I can't recall anything of note.

Lil E Tee? Really?

Lil E Tee was actually a pretty decent horse - certainly better than some of the horses mentioned in this thread like Giacomo and Sea Hero. His Derby win earned a 107 Beyer (well ahead of Giacomo's 100 and a number that compares favorably with the average recent Derby winning fig) and his overall record was 13: 7-4-1.

He was 3 for 6 as a three year old with wins in the Derby and Jim Beam, and a neck loss to Pine Bluff in the Arkansas Derby. He got hurt after the Preakness and didn't run again that year. He returned at 4 going 2 for 3, winning the Razorback and running 2nd in the Oaklawn Handicap before getting hurt again and being retired.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Bravado2112

Lil E Tee? Really?

Lil E Tee was actually a pretty decent horse - certainly better than some of the horses mentioned in this thread like Giacomo and Sea Hero. His Derby win earned a 107 Beyer (well ahead of Giacomo's 100 and a number that compares favorably with the average recent Derby winning fig) and his overall record was 13: 7-4-1.

He was 3 for 6 as a three year old with wins in the Derby and Jim Beam, and a neck loss to Pine Bluff in the Arkansas Derby. He got hurt after the Preakness and didn't run again that year. He returned at 4 going 2 for 3, winning the Razorback and running 2nd in the Oaklawn Handicap before getting hurt again and being retired.

I agree. I've never understood the lack of love for Lil E Tee. You win over half your career races including the Ky Derby, and the only race you are out of the money in your life is in the Preakness, I'd say you're a pretty decent horse. OF recent Derby winners I'd rate him at least as good as or better than are Giacomo, Funny Cide, War Emblem, Charismatic, Grindstone, Go For Gin, Sea Hero. I think I posted this earlier in the thread...so this post is pretty much useless.

[Danzig]

i can see arguments for go for gin.
but then, i think war emblem was pretty bad. if that horse didn't get things completely his way, he quit. first or nowhere.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i can see arguments for go for gin.
but then, i think war emblem was pretty bad. if that horse didn't get things completely his way, he quit. first or nowhere.

Doesn't make him bad. Just really dumb and immature.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Doesn't make him bad. Just really dumb and immature.

not sure what to make of him. the way he raced, and then how things have gone for him since.
is he a nutcase?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

This is really a two horse race between Giacomo and Sea Hero - all other answers are really bad answers.

[Lava]

Smarty Jones j/k Giacomo Alex should have won JR blew it