Tigers in trade talk with Marlins

IrishofNDMan · #1 12-04-2007, 05:37 PM

Looks like Miggy Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis for Andrew Miller, Cameron Maybin, and a 3rd player to be named. Look for this trade to happen in the next 24-48 hrs.

This would be awesome, I don't care about giving up Andrew Miller, and giving up Maybin sucks but for a guy like Miggy Cabrera who is one of the best in the game right now and still young is well worth it. D-Train will fit in nicely in the rotation as well.

Crown@club · #2 12-04-2007, 06:11 PM

Conflicting reports going on. Now another says the Chisox have offered Fields and others. I think they are trying to juice it to see if the Angels will bite

Cannon Shell · #3 12-04-2007, 06:19 PM

Though trading established stars for future ones is always risky, this deal may backfire for the Tigers. Caberera is a tremendous hitter but is getting fatter and fatter and lacks a position. Fat guys play less than non fat guys. Willis looks burned out. Though the jury is out on the 2 guys the Tigers are giving up, they are both top 15 prospects and are really young. However there are other players heading to FL that we dont know yet.

Scav · #4 12-04-2007, 06:26 PM

ESPNews reports on bottom line that the trade is agreed upon. Cabrera and Willis to Det, don't know the rest

GPK · #5 12-04-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Though trading established stars for future ones is always risky, this deal may backfire for the Tigers. Caberera is a tremendous hitter but is getting fatter and fatter and lacks a position. Fat guys play less than non fat guys. Willis looks burned out. Though the jury is out on the 2 guys the Tigers are giving up, they are both top 15 prospects and are really young. However there are other players heading to Detroit that we dont know yet.

Haven't played in a while, huh Chuck?

ok, that was too easy...

Cannon Shell · #6 12-04-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

Haven't played in a while, huh Chuck?

ok, that was too easy...

Pulled up lame this spring

I've done enough....

GPK · #7 12-04-2007, 06:38 PM

Wasnt it David Wells that said he has never heard of any having "pulled fat"?

Hear about pulled muscles all the time..

SentToStud · #8 12-04-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Though trading established stars for future ones is always risky, this deal may backfire for the Tigers. Caberera is a tremendous hitter but is getting fatter and fatter and lacks a position. Fat guys play less than non fat guys. Willis looks burned out. Though the jury is out on the 2 guys the Tigers are giving up, they are both top 15 prospects and are really young. However there are other players heading to FL that we dont know yet.

Cabrera's down 15 pounds since the end of the season. He'll have a good or very good year next season wherever he plays. He's had next to nothing batting in fron/behind him. I imagine he'd be a tougher out batting between Sheffield and Guillen. He's not great or even good in the field. He'll probably wind up at first base someday.

I think Willis is still very good. In 6 week stretch, he lost games 3-0, 3-2, 3-2, 4-3 and 4-3. He also won his last four starts. Never misses a start.

Cannon Shell · #9 12-04-2007, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud

Cabrera's down 15 pounds since the end of the season. He'll have a good or very good year next season wherever he plays. He's had next to nothing batting in fron/behind him. I imagine he'd be a tougher out batting between Sheffield and Guillen. He's not great or even good in the field. He'll probably wind up at first base someday.

I think Willis is still very good. In 6 week stretch, he lost games 3-0, 3-2, 3-2, 4-3 and 4-3. He also won his last four starts. Never misses a start.

Caberera is a very good hitter who should fit in well in Detroit's lineup, though he is moving up from AAAA to the majors

Willis was one thing last year. Consistent. He was pretty much either mediocre or bad. His home and away stats were very close to equal. He was slightly worse in the second half of the season but pitched his best game the last week of the season.
He gave up hits, lots of them. The league batted .300 off of him at home and .289 on the road. there is no pitcher in the history of baseball that the league hit .290 off of that could be considered good. He was brutal last year. I have not looked it up but his numbers have to be the worst in the league for a starter with more than 20 starts. His dropoff from 2005 when he was tremendous is startling.

During that 6 week stretch he also had back to back games where he didn't get out of the 4 inning without being pounded.

Though there is no concrete proof, the innings he pitched along with his pitching style must have injured his arm somewhat. Because he has gone from maybe the best pitcher in the league 2 years ago to maybe the worst. If I wasn't so tired I would try to find another fall from grace in baseball history that wasn't due to injury

whodey17 · #10 12-05-2007, 12:16 AM

What a freaking line-up. Granderson, Polaco, Mags, Sheff, Ordonez, Puge, and I am sure I am forgetting a couple of guys. Speed and power and avg: they have it all. I could care less about D-Train. If they get 10 wins out of him then fine. But with this line-up he could have an ERA over 5 and still win 15.