No TV's in Milwaukee??

[GPK]

Did they not see this guy pitch last year?? Hello?? $10 Million?

They can sign me for 1/10th of the price and get the same performance and results

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3146990

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by GPK

Did they not see this guy pitch last year?? Hello?? $10 Million?

They can sign me for 1/10th of the price and get the same performance and results

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3146990

He's already done enough....five years ago!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Seems like these teams sure have money to p i s s away.Dumbos should stop buying $100 seats to these games.They just piss your money away.It's like a puddle of goo on a back.Your money means nothing to them.There is no accountability for these execs.One of the very few responsible organizations is the Padres.Atleast they refuse to just throw money at very mediocre players.No,Chuck that ain't just f'n "market value." It's a total rip-off of fans.This is the only business where you get rewarded for complete failure.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Seems like these teams sure have money to p i s s away.Dumbos should stop buying $100 seats to these games.They just piss your money away.It's like a puddle of goo on a back.Your money means nothing to them.There is no accountability for these execs.One of the very few responsible organizations is the Padres.Atleast they refuse to just throw money at very mediocre players.No,Chuck that ain't just f'n "market value." It's a total rip-off of fans.This is the only business where you get rewarded for complete failure.

Got a 160 or so games. +(playoffs)
The advertisers are staying put.
Welcome to capitalism. The product sells.


Baseball is THE sport for players.
Chance of serious injury small,
rewards, huge.

How is it a ripoff? The people pay
through the tasty beer commercials,
to the Cardinal's hat on their head.

Now the City symphony... thats a tough gig.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Got a 160 or so games. +(playoffs)
The advertisers are staying put.
Welcome to capitalism. The product sells.


Baseball is THE sport for players.
Chance of serious injury small,
rewards, huge.

How is it a ripoff? The people pay
through the tasty beer commercials,
to the Cardinal's hat on their head.

Now the City symphony... thats a tough gig.

Somebody is getting ripped off when a guy pitches that badly and gets 10 million a year right after doing it.For one thing,the money should be spent on somebody a whole lot better than that guy is.So,everybody involved with that organization is getting ripped off.All I know is the price to go to the game,park,etc,has gone through the roof.Yea,people go cuz instead of buying houses they rent apartments,or even more likely they are in incredible debt(even though they have good income.)They have zero discipline.It wasn't this way in the mid-late 70's.It was a great game for the fans then.

[Cannon Shell]

"We're just adding depth," Melvin said.


That is a classic. So if he bombs they were just adding 'depth'. If he is good, Melvin can claim to be a genius. Gagne of 4 years ago was worth every penny. Gagne of last year....not so much.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Somebody is getting ripped off when a guy pitches that badly and gets 10 million a year right after doing it.For one thing,the money should be spent on somebody a whole lot better than that guy is.So,everybody involved with that organization is getting ripped off.All I know is the price to go to the game,park,etc,has gone through the roof.Yea,people go cuz instead of buying houses they rent apartments,or even more likely they are in incredible debt(even though they have good income.)They have zero discipline.It wasn't this way in the mid-late 70's.It was a great game for the fans then.

ok Ron Burgundy

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Somebody is getting ripped off when a guy pitches that badly and gets 10 million a year right after doing it.For one thing,the money should be spent on somebody a whole lot better than that guy is.So,everybody involved with that organization is getting ripped off.All I know is the price to go to the game,park,etc,has gone through the roof.Yea,people go cuz instead of buying houses they rent apartments,or even more likely they are in incredible debt(even though they have good income.)They have zero discipline.It wasn't this way in the mid-late 70's.It was a great game for the fans then.

I dont think Oprah or Jay Leno are worth what they get(a whole bunch more that baseball players). But I dont set the market prices alone because if I did, Leno would get a few bucks, and Oprah would get zero... I barely watch them. Nah they would both make nothing cause I dont by underwear based on a cute commercial or what Michael Jordan says about them.

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by GPK

Did they not see this guy pitch last year?? Hello?? $10 Million?

They can sign me for 1/10th of the price and get the same performance and results

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3146990

i agree the salary is to high but..... if you were to have watched the brewers enuff last year you would also notice our bullpen cost us quite a few games and the division.

it was fricken brutal between wise and turnbow both going into the crapper. turnbow-headcase. and linebrink being a train wreck from sd.

that being said melvin has just picked up torres. with torres, riske, gangne and mota. the last 2 are big ?

i think melvin and the org are loading up this bullpen and like **** ,throwing it against the wall to see what sticks.

anything to try to get that mess cleaned up is fine by me. spent on somebody better maybe or maybe he will turn it around and give us at least something.

just watch out for the brew crew's bats. this team has just started to pound the ball

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by pdrift1

i agree the salary is to high but..... if you were to have watched the brewers enuff last year you would also notice our bullpen cost us quite a few games and the division.

it was fricken brutal between wise and turnbow both going into the crapper. turnbow-headcase. and linebrink being a train wreck from sd.

that being said melvin has just picked up torres. with torres, riske, gangne and mota. the last 2 are big ?

i think melvin and the org are loading up this bullpen and like **** ,throwing it against the wall to see what sticks.

anything to try to get that mess cleaned up is fine by me. spent on somebody better maybe or maybe he will turn it around and give us at least something.

just watch out for the brew crew's bats. this team has just started to pound the ball

Matt Wise was designated for assignment. He did struggle down the stretch on his way to a 4.19 ERA last season, but much of that was attributed to some mental issues after he threw a pitch that broke Pedro Lopez's cheekbone. I think this is quite a mistake for the Brewers. Wise is easily a better bet than Guillermo Mota (hasn't performed well since coming out of his suspension) for 2008 and probably Salomon Torres (show signs of over abuse at Pitt), as well, if he is over his mental issues. He'll be a worth a shot for another team.

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Matt Wise was designated for assignment. He did struggle down the stretch on his way to a 4.19 ERA last season, but much of that was attributed to some mental issues after he threw a pitch that broke Pedro Lopez's cheekbone. I think this is quite a mistake for the Brewers. Wise is easily a better bet than Guillermo Mota (hasn't performed well since coming out of his suspension) for 2008 and probably Salomon Torres (show signs of over abuse at Pitt), as well, if he is over his mental issues. He'll be a worth a shot for another team.

thats fine IF that was the problem with wise. but if you can't shake it off then your no good to our bullpen.

how long will this linger. milwaukee doesn't have forever to wait for these 2 headcases (turnbow&wise) to clear there heads. the time is now to strike.

each year are great young players in the field risk injury and they are that much closer to leaving us when they reach free agency. we hit em now.

this is not a mistake. a mistake would have been to stand pat and watch wise be ineffective and turnbow give up a couple walks a inning as our closer. you never know from one night to the next what your getting on the mound with turnbow. he can look lights out one night and the next couldn't find the plate if you walked him up to it and showed him where it was.

given wise has talent and maybe a little more easier to straighten out then mota might be. but mota showed this same talent before reaching the mets.

**** cordero wasnt even pitching that well in texas before we got him. all it takes is a little turn of events with these closers.

and torres is well worth the risk. maybe over used and a sore arm last year but lets see what the winter off and a new place to play=he hated pitt and wanted out- don't think that had part to play?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pdrift1

and torres is well worth the risk. maybe over used and a sore arm last year but lets see what the winter off and a new place to play=he hated pitt and wanted out- don't think that had part to play?

Torres totally lost it. He could hardly miss a bat. Plus he is old.

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Torres totally lost it. He could hardly miss a bat. Plus he is old.

true he wasnt the same last year. but not getting along with your coaches and wanting out, can effect your mindset and to then not start thinking about the job at hand and not give a **** how your pitching from night to night-could be part of the problem.

i'm sure hes lost some but if he turns back in to form just a little to help out. thats all we need.

his age won't matter to us, we want him for this year only not 4 years down the road like cordero.

we want these guys besides riske to just one of them return to form for us for a year. thats it. these guys arn't staying beyond a year if they dont produce besides riske

what other options do the brewers have throw money on long term relief contracts? i say add torres to the rest and lets see what we got

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by GPK

Did they not see this guy pitch last year?? Hello?? $10 Million?

They can sign me for 1/10th of the price and get the same performance and results

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3146990

i agree the salary is to high but..... if you were to have watched the brewers enuff last year you would also notice our bullpen cost us quite a few games and the division.

it was fricken brutal between wise and turnbow both going into the crapper. turnbow-headcase. and linebrink being a train wreck from sd.

that being said melvin has just picked up torres. with torres, riske, gangne and mota. the last 2 are big ?

i think melvin and the org are loading up this bullpen and like **** ,throwing it against the wall to see what sticks.

anything to try to get that mess cleaned up is fine by me. spent on somebody better maybe or maybe he will turn it around and give us at least something.

just watch out for the brew crew's bats. this team has just started to pound the ball

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by pdrift1

i agree the salary is to high but..... if you were to have watched the brewers enuff last year you would also notice our bullpen cost us quite a few games and the division.

it was fricken brutal between wise and turnbow both going into the crapper. turnbow-headcase. and linebrink being a train wreck from sd.

that being said melvin has just picked up torres. with torres, riske, gangne and mota. the last 2 are big ?

i think melvin and the org are loading up this bullpen and like **** ,throwing it against the wall to see what sticks.

anything to try to get that mess cleaned up is fine by me. spent on somebody better maybe or maybe he will turn it around and give us at least something.

just watch out for the brew crew's bats. this team has just started to pound the ball

Melvin is scrambling to do all he can since they lost Cordero to an divisional rival in the Reds. The Reds paid Cordero 46 million over 4 years, which is ridiculous! I thought the crew offered him too much at $42 million for 4 yrs. I agree with pdrift, melvin is throwing them all at the wall to see what sticks. If one of them works out it is a good deal. Gagne for 1 yr is not as big of a risk as Cordero for 4 yrs at 46 million. Gagne may have lost it, but a change of scenary to the NL might do him good. All of the closers combined are not as expensive as it would be to pay Cordero. 1 yr deal gives Gagne a lot of incentive to pitch well, otherwise he is done.

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Melvin is scrambling to do all he can since they lost Cordero to an divisional rival in the Reds. The Reds paid Cordero 46 million over 4 years, which is ridiculous! I thought the crew offered him too much at $42 million for 4 yrs. I agree with pdrift, melvin is throwing them all at the wall to see what sticks. If one of them works out it is a good deal. Gagne for 1 yr is not as big of a risk as Cordero for 4 yrs at 46 million. Gagne may have lost it, but a change of scenary to the NL might do him good. All of the closers combined are not as expensive as it would be to pay Cordero. 1 yr deal gives Gagne a lot of incentive to pitch well, otherwise he is done.

your right the reds and us are and would have been nuts to give cordero a 4 year contract. 4 years for relief pitching at that price knowing how volatile relief pitching can be is just insane. the reds can have him for that.

that is my thinking also give him the 10 , its only a year, we don't need postionel players at all, there is no 1-2 starters we can afford so lets not bother with this market at this time. lets sit on our hands and see how are 6 starters , 2 new rookies fair and get this bullpen a little new look.

all we need is one of the 4 like you said to do it we also have shouse and aquino. something will come together. this was as good a job as melvin could do given the circumstances