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Old 12-09-2007, 09:55 AM
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Tried a couple of spot plays Saturday and came away with unsatisfying 3rds from Isipingo (Native Diver) and Magic Sunset (LA Champions 11th) while Lavaliere (IL Deb) ran poorly. Wasn't very interested in full Aqueduct card Sunday besides the intriguing Damon Runyon Stake, but carryover and a few potentially live runners piqued the handicapping juices. Struggling for focus and consistancy at the windows last month, but need to work through the travails...


AQUEDUCT


4th: NYB-MDN CLM, 2yo, 5.5f (P6, P3, Super)

Value: #10 SCR
Likely: #7 Tough Negotiations 4-1: Improves post and adds "L"..
Next: #11 Avagardo 5-1
Super: #4 Crafty J.C. 8-1


5th: CLM/N2L, 3+, 1m-70y (P3, GS)

Value: #2 Gift of Valor 12-1: Nosed for less last; In light under Jermaine..
Likely: #7 Fregatta 9-5: Kinsman red should like 2 turn mile..
Next: #6 Quick and Easy 5-1
Other: #1 Collect the Purse 10-1


6th: NYB-MSW, 2yo-F, 6f (P4, DD)

Value: #1e Karakorum entry 8-1: J. Jerkens side of entry debuts..
Likely: #8 Sweet Bama Breeze 8-5: Has just missed thrice including stake try last..
Next: #7 Love Co 4-1: Contessa grey goes 2nd out; Gets Ramon..


7th: CLM/N2L, 3+, 6f (P3 Super)

Value: #9 Life of Dancer 8-1: Terranova takeover for IEAH adds blinks..
Likely: #6 Mass Charles 5-2: A little too obvious on monster drop..
Next: #2 Stay Inside 6-1: Arboleda 3 of 4 for Dutrow..
Super: (AE) #13 SCR


8th: Damon Runyon S., NYB-2yo, 8.5f (DD)

Small group but a wonderfully compelling race.. Strong pace expected and someone is going to blink..

Value: #2 Alexandros 10-1: Carroll rig put it together last; Gets hot pace to chase..
Likely: #1 Giant Moon 9-5: Schosberg gave time to Fried colt that should love added distance..
Next: #4 Spanky Fischbein 2-1: Pletcher Hook/Ladder, also a rig, has done little wrong in 5 starts..


9th: NYB-ALW/N1X, F&M-3+, 6f (Super)

Using 1a (POE-Dutrow) Abby Morgan in multis..

Value: #10 Vilify 8-1
Likely: #7 Lady Rizzi 4-1
Next: #5 City Spirit 6-1
Super: #3 Karakorum Sunshine 10-1


P4 play:

6: 8
7: 2-6-9
8: 1-2-4-5
9: 1-3-5-7-10

1x3x4x5 = $60



Good luck!
Steve
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Old 12-09-2007, 10:03 AM
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Steve,why don't you get carryovers as big as we do out here?
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Old 12-09-2007, 10:07 AM
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Thanks Steve. No better place for you to knock 'em dead than Big A.

Good Luck!
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Old 12-09-2007, 10:32 AM
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Steve,why don't you get carryovers as big as we do out here?

Because the attraction of the P6 is a Southern California thing while the NY horse player will play P3 and P4's withsome degree of zeal the difficulty of hitting P6 races does not entice the eastcoast crowd....

It has to do with the medications available in Southern California combined with the diferences in the water and frequency of earth quakes which do not occur in New York, Ky or Fla and never in Delaware.

Finally Californian's are more likely to believe in Santa Claus than big city East coast horse players for obvious reasons....
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Old 12-09-2007, 10:49 AM
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Steve,why don't you get carryovers as big as we do out here?
Steve,

We talk about that a lot on the radio, and I think the answer lies in the heritage of the bet originating at Agua Caliente, being a part of the menu earlier than on the East Coast, and earning a prominent place in the West Coast player's wagering. I think that East Coast/NY bettors see the P6 as a "big money player" wager whereas the West Coasters are happy to feed into the pool with small ticket home run swings.

Andy Beyer has written regularly that guarantees of P6 pool size helped grow the popularity of the wager as well, something that the East Coast tracks eschewed upon introducing it here. It would grow the interest in it if commenced as carryovers regularly demonstrate.

If you go back to that spate of crazy Cali P6 carries earlier in the year, we noticed that suddenly the NYRA P6 pool started to get $65,000-$80,000 in it where $35,000-$50,000 had been the norm. There's no doubt that P6 carryover fever from anywhere builds awareness and willingness to try the play on a more widespread basis. And without being provincial, I think the way we concentrate on them and discus them here has a positive effect on interest in the Sextet as a regular part of people's play.
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Old 12-09-2007, 11:24 AM
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Steve,

We talk about that a lot on the radio, and I think the answer lies in the heritage of the bet originating at Agua Caliente, being a part of the menu earlier than on the East Coast, and earning a prominent place in the West Coast player's wagering. I think that East Coast/NY bettors see the P6 as a "big money player" wager whereas the West Coasters are happy to feed into the pool with small ticket home run swings.

Andy Beyer has written regularly that guarantees of P6 pool size helped grow the popularity of the wager as well, something that the East Coast tracks eschewed upon introducing it here. It would grow the interest in it if commenced as carryovers regularly demonstrate.

If you go back to that spate of crazy Cali P6 carries earlier in the year, we noticed that suddenly the NYRA P6 pool started to get $65,000-$80,000 in it where $35,000-$50,000 had been the norm. There's no doubt that P6 carryover fever from anywhere builds awareness and willingness to try the play on a more widespread basis. And without being provincial, I think the way we concentrate on them and discus them here has a positive effect on interest in the Sextet as a regular part of people's play.
Exactly what I said.....
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I think it's cause there's some crazy ass money out in LA where they follow the horses more closely.

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Big A SCR/CHG..

http://www.equibase.com/premium/changes/AQU-changes.asp
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