Time to stop the open funding of terrorism!

[somerfrost]

I've been watching CNN tonight and one thing is clear...Israel faces a task with no really acceptable solution...and the fault clearly lies in the bowels of two insane countries...Iran and Syria! I hate the thought of war but how long can we tolerate these clowns thumbing their noses at us while they channel money, weapons and radicalism to these butchers? Time to draw the line...tell Syria and Iran that they either stop funding these crazies and attempting to throw any government that even appears to be heading toward democracy into chaos or we will stop them! There are innocent Americans in Israel, innocent Americans in Lebanon, and a country full of innocent folks in Israel....yes, there are innocent folks in the Arab lands as well, but these governments are corrupt to their core and simply evil. Either they stop the killing or they die by the very sword they wield!!

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I've been watching CNN tonight and one thing is clear...Israel faces a task with no really acceptable solution...and the fault clearly lies in the bowels of two insane countries...Iran and Syria! I hate the thought of war but how long can we tolerate these clowns thumbing their noses at us while they channel money, weapons and radicalism to these butchers? Time to draw the line...tell Syria and Iran that they either stop funding these crazies and attempting to throw any government that even appears to be heading toward democracy into chaos or we will stop them! There are innocent Americans in Israel, innocent Americans in Lebanon, and a country full of innocent folks in Israel....yes, there are innocent folks in the Arab lands as well, but these governments are corrupt to their core and simply evil. Either they stop the killing or they die by the very sword they wield!!

"You're either with us ... or you're with the terrorists."

Iran and Syria aren't with the terrorists ... they are the terrorists.

It's way past time to take out Junior Assad, Ahmadinejad, and Khamenei. Start at the top ... and work our way down the line.

[Seattleallstar]

frosty, there are innocent Lebanese in Lebanon too. Seriously though, if this escalates enough we'll get dragged into it, but Israel seems to be doing just fine right now.

The Israelis are just as guilty as any Arab nation. I don't see them working for peace. They are bombing the F out of Beirut right now, instead of working towards a solution they are escalating a war.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Society Selection

The Israelis are just as guilty as any Arab nation. I don't see them working for peace. They are bombing the F out of Beirut right now, instead of working towards a solution they are escalating a war.

The only peace that terrorists understand comes from violent death! The lion may someday lay with the lamb but there will be peace in this region only after the last terrorist is laid in his/her grave! I wish it were not so, I wish that the hatred and brutality could be replaced with a genuine respect for human life....but I accept the reality and the right of Israel to defend itself. If that means the annihilation of Iran, Syria and Lebanon...so it will be!

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Society Selection

The Israelis are just as guilty as any Arab nation. I don't see them working for peace. They are bombing the F out of Beirut right now, instead of working towards a solution they are escalating a war.

I don't know how you can compare Israel to terrorists. That reminds me of people who think that Bush is a terrorist just like Bin Laden.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't know how you can compare Israel to terrorists. That reminds me of people who think that Bush is a terrorist just like Bin Laden.

The ultra-leftists don't believe a word of what they themselves are saying.

They just viscerally hate America and Israel ... and are willing to ally themselves with any of their enemies regardless of how vicious and inhuman they are ... because America and Israel are the big obstacles to leftist world domination.

The leftists hate not having power ... and they know that America and Israel are the reasons why they don't.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

Olmert has given Syria 72 hours to "throw in the towel" or Damascus is chopped liver.

Personally, I am calling on the "Gods of War" to see that his demand is IGNORED.

As I type IAF planes are dismantling various Lebanese ports. Lebanon is now a country with no means of exit or entry.

The reasoning behind the 72 hour window is that it will give us the necessary time to finish bombing this "joint" back into the early 80's. Hopefully the Lebanese army will be deployed to clear out the southern portion of Lebanon. This should provoke another hoped for Civil War.

Once again there is the POSSIBILITY of a "winning lottery ticket". HOPEFULLY Hezbollah will make some type of MOVE on the 25,000 Americans trying to be evacuated from the country.

Dateline: Caesarea, Israel

Not a chance and as usual you are wrong.

The last thing Israel wants is for this to escalate significantly. What will happen is this... It will go on for 3-4 more days until it all shakes out and Israel decides how much (not if) they're going to give in to demands. I really wish they wouldn't because when Israel negotiates with the less-savory elements it only perpetuates and promotes this kind of activity.

But, as we all know, Israel ALWAYS negotiates. Instead of having the stones to actually do more than lob missles which are killing hundreds, if not thousands of innocent Lebanese, they will, as always, give in and acceed to some extent.

Israel ALWAYS negotiates. Did it in 1972, did it a couple years ago. Will do it again in the next 5-7 days. They'll do it again two years from now.

All that will come of this is in the end is a badly damaged fledlging democracy in Lebanon struggle to survive and to feed and water their people.

Israel will not march into Syria. Israel will not go to Iran. Why should they? After all, it's far easier to put down the slingshot-toting Palestinians and lob some missles at the Democratic country of Lebanon.

All insignificant little countries, with the exception of Iran. Who cares about Syria, Lebanon, Israel, etc. They are little blips on the big world picture. They are all run by religious wackos. You could take all three of them off the map and nothing would change in the world. In 20yrs from now, if the US gets off its dependence of foreign oil and looks to Canada for all of its imported oil, the middle east will be nothing more than a bunch of crazy people that have been fighting for hundreds of years over a ridiculous issue like religion.

Russia, China, North Korea, all much more important than these insignificant countries.

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

Olmert has given Syria 72 hours to "throw in the towel" or Damascus is chopped liver.

48 hours ... and counting.

Let us pray that Junior Assad is as dumb as he looks.

[GenuineRisk]

And here's something lovely (not)-- this is from andrewsullivan's website (he's a conservative blogger I like to read). A letter writer to him posted it. "USG" is United States Government, of course:

"On your most recent posting quoting about how the USG is bankrupt, and cannot pay its "creditors". I think they have figured out one way to take care of it: charge their citizens for emergency services.

I am currently enrolled in an intensive summer arabic program at the American University in Beirut, and am holed up at the university, probably the safest place in the city right now. Basically my choices have been to make a run for the border with Syria and try to catch a flight out, or wait for the USG to carry out the evacuation plan. Because I heard reports about the dangers of the former (and based on a statement by the American embassy), I opted for the latter. They are finally getting everything together today, but they dropped a little surprise: they are going to be billing us for giving us emergency transport to Cyprus, and then basically dropping us off on our own to get commercial flights back to the US. Most other goverrnments evacuating people here are actually flying them back to their home country without cost. But not the USG. They are perfectly happy to fund the World Toilet Summit (in Ireland, if my memory is correct) to the tune of $13 million or something. But 25,000 or so Americans stranded in the middle of a (quite unexpected) war zone? They better be ready to pay up if they want out."

Great. Just great. But by God, the wealthy DESERVE those tax cuts!

[Downthestretch55]

Genuine Risk,
I've stayed away from posting on this thread.
It was actually a bit "entertaining" to watch Pgardn and Bold Fraud go at it.

However, I have seen enough. The family that was driving north to the border that got hit, and the father of the eight children, who said "Oh God!
How can I tell my children? They are all so badly burned that I can't recognize them."
At least the Americans have a way out, even if they have to pay for it.
Unfortunately, the stupidity of present actions is only going to cause more resentment and retaliation. Do the "Powers that be" expect anything less?
Is this part of the plan to create even more "terrorists"?

Expect Bold A-hole to respond to this. He usually does, even brings his Townhall propaganda garbage. However, I am addressing this to YOU, not Bold A-hole. Let him start his own thread if he feels that what he has to say is SO VERY important.
Here's something that you might want to read to see the differences between the ways that the unfortunate victims of the carnage are attempting to escape.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0717-04.htm

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Genuine Risk,
I've stayed away from posting on this thread.
It was actually a bit "entertaining" to watch Pgardn and Bold Fraud go at it.

However, I have seen enough. The family that was driving north to the border that got hit, and the father of the eight children, who said "Oh God!
How can I tell my children? They are all so badly burned that I can't recognize them."
At least the Americans have a way out, even if they have to pay for it.
Unfortunately, the stupidity of present actions is only going to cause more resentment and retaliation. Do the "Powers that be" expect anything less?
Is this part of the plan to create even more "terrorists"?

Expect Bold A-hole to respond to this. He usually does, even brings his Townhall propaganda garbage. However, I am addressing this to YOU, not Bold A-hole. Let him start his own thread if he feels that what he has to say is SO VERY important.
Here's something that you might want to read to see the differences between the ways that the unfortunate victims of the carnage are attempting to escape.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0717-04.htm

Well, you don't have to wait for BB...I'll respond. I wish we had weapons with intelligence so that only the enemy was hit, the US conducted the most "humane" war (talk about an oximoron) in history when we invaded Iraq...every effort was made to limit civilian casualties, yet there were many horror stories like the ones in the article...IT SIMPLY ISN'T POSSIBLE to wage war and not kill folks, and the innocent die just like the guilty! It's still all smoke and mirrors, attempting to blame the Israeli people for defending their country against the savages attacking them...won't work!!! Tell a million horror stories, that fact will always remain!

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Well, you don't have to wait for BB...I'll respond. I wish we had weapons with intelligence so that only the enemy was hit, the US conducted the most "humane" war (talk about an oximoron) in history when we invaded Iraq...every effort was made to limit civilian casualties, yet there were many horror stories like the ones in the article...IT SIMPLY ISN'T POSSIBLE to wage war and not kill folks, and the innocent die just like the guilty! It's still all smoke and mirrors, attempting to blame the Israeli people for defending their country against the savages attacking them...won't work!!! Tell a million horror stories, that fact will always remain!

Somer,
This is always interesting. Smoke and mirrors, indeed!
Recent reports from Afghanistan show that the Taliban has regained control of two districts, opium crop (remember the "war on drugs"?) is bumper.
Iraq is going down in flames of civil war.
Now this overly aggressive response by Israel to the kidnapping of two soldiers.
Horror stories??? Far too many.
"Humane war"???

Never happened yet.

The innocents suffer for the mistakes of others.
Same old, same old.

Question: Do you honestly think that our present leadership will in anyway influence the current outcomes?

I'm interested in your take on this... and btw, those rockets aren't manufactured in Iran. They come from China. Can I buy some at Walmart?
Oh! I almost forgot to mention who holds the notes on the US deficit...you know who, don't you?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Somer,
This is always interesting. Smoke and mirrors, indeed!
Recent reports from Afghanistan show that the Taliban has regained control of two districts, opium crop (remember the "war on drugs"?) is bumper.
Iraq is going down in flames of civil war.
Now this overly aggressive response by Israel to the kidnapping of two soldiers.
Horror stories??? Far too many.
"Humane war"???

Never happened yet.

The innocents suffer for the mistakes of others.
Same old, same old.

Question: Do you honestly think that our present leadership will in anyway influence the current outcomes?

I'm interested in your take on this... and btw, those rockets aren't manufactured in Iran. They come from China. Can I buy some at Walmart?
Oh! I almost forgot to mention who holds the notes on the US deficit...you know who, don't you?

Still all smoke and mirrors...makes for entertaining reading but doesn't have much to do with the Israeli reality...the people of Israel have a right to defend themselves...as I often quote in other circumstances, "in the end, we have only those rights which we can defend...only those rights!" The Garden of Eden doesn't exist...never did! There are no perfect solutions, no fairytale endings...no place on earth without evil lurking...has nothing to do with the situation at hand! Folks make decisions, both good and bad...if you choose to allow pigs in your house, it will smell like pig crap! Support terrorism and you can't complain when an Israeli missile comes through the kitchen window...you may feel you've been wronged and perhaps you have...but you'll still be scattered over the countryside.

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

this is from andrewsullivan's website (he's a conservative blogger I like to read).

For the record: Andrew Sullivan is a leftist former New York Times reporter ... who is also openly homosexual and a crusader for homosexual rights.

Not that there's anything wrong with that ...

... but let's just keep the facts straight.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

For the record: Andrew Sullivan is a leftist former New York Times reporter ... who is also openly homosexual and a crusader for homosexual rights.

Not that there's anything wrong with that ...

... but let's just keep the facts straight.

What in the world does a man's sexual orientation have to do with what he thinks about taxes, governmental authority and states' rights? Oh, right, to the Republicans, EVERYTHING. Oy.

What do you consider a "leftist?" I also can't find any corroboration to him having been a reporter for the NYTimes. What years did he work there? Please give me the dates, along with a list of what you consider to be "leftist" attributes.

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

What in the world does a man's sexual orientation have to do with what he thinks about taxes, governmental authority and states' rights? Oh, right, to the Republicans, EVERYTHING. Oy.

What do you consider a "leftist?" I also can't find any corroboration to him having been a reporter for the NYTimes. What years did he work there? Please give me the dates, along with a list of what you consider to be "leftist" attributes.

Sullivan was ... and perhaps still is ... a writer/reporter for the New York Times Magazine and the New York Times Book Review.

As I clearly stated ... his sexual practices have nothing to do with his primarily leftist political beliefs ... but he trumpets them wherever his work appears ... so they are relevant when discussing his background as a writer and analyst.

In any case ... Andrew is not a "conservative" or "right-winger."

None of which is relevant to the main question of what your point was in providing that unverifiable, unattributed anecdote.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Sullivan was ... and perhaps still is ... a writer/reporter for the New York Times Magazine and the New York Times Book Review.

As I clearly stated ... his sexual practices have nothing to do with his primarily leftist political beliefs ... but he trumpets them wherever his work appears ... so they are relevant when discussing his background as a writer and analyst.

In any case ... Andrew is not a "conservative" or "right-winger."

None of which is relevant to the main question of what your point was in providing that unverifiable, unattributed anecdote.

What are Sullivan's most recent articles for the Times Magazine and the Book Review? I think you have the NEW YORK Times confused with the LONDON Times. The NEW YORK Times, you see, publishes in New York. The LONDON Times publishes in LONDON. Sullivan is a regular contributer to the LONDON Times. But I can see how you'd get them confused-- New York... London... what's the difference, really?

Still awaiting your list of what you think are lefty platforms.

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Most other goverrnments evacuating people here are actually flying them back to their home country without cost. But not the USG. They are perfectly happy to fund the World Toilet Summit (in Ireland, if my memory is correct) to the tune of $13 million or something. But 25,000 or so Americans stranded in the middle of a (quite unexpected) war zone? They better be ready to pay up if they want out."

And the point of this completely unverifiable personal anecdote ... from an unidentified source ... is ... ?