Woman Arrested For Socializing with Men

[Rupert Pupkin]

This is unbelievable. I didn't realize that things were still this bad in Saudi Arabia. An American businesswoman was arrested at a Starbucks in Saudi Arabia for sitting with a male colleague.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3321637.ece

[SCUDSBROTHER]

No matter what,you're gunna have somebody come on here and say it's cool that they are savages.Happens every time.They are "EASTERN." So,somehow it's o.k. to act like savages.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

This is unbelievable. I didn't realize that things were still this bad in Saudi Arabia. An American businesswoman was arrested at a Starbucks in Saudi Arabia for sitting with a male colleague.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3321637.ece

It's not nice to talk like that about our allies, especially one that was home to 16 of the 19 hijackers and teaches Wahhabi Islam in its public schools:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...wahhabism.html

Seriously, Rupert, it's all too believable. I'm just curious as to what made you think things were getting any better in Saudi Arabia. Note in the link that the Prince of Saudi Arabia condemned bin Laden (who had already been exiled) but not the line of (state supported) radical religious thought used to motivate the hijackers.

Like I said, our ally.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

We have the Grammy Awards,Dog Shows,American Idol,Horseracing etc....Their entertainment is going to see a public be-heading of a fellow citizen.

[The Bid]

What do you expect from people who are still killing each other with rocks over religion.

There is a fairly large contingent of Ultra-Orthodox Jews who practice the same sort of segregation of sexes. They would not arrest a foreign vistor, but they might ask them to go into another room... not at a Starbuck's though.

ANd I have been to a few Christian weddings that emphasized that the woman's role was to serve the wishes of the head of the family (total subserveint role). This is not exactly new and not just restricted to the Mideast.

This is not to justify the Saudi's rules.
It seems pretty clear the roots are deep
in many socities however.

We of course have risen above this morally.
cornered the market on morality, ask Pat Robertson

[Danzig]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330642,00.html


a far cry from morals police, and threats of jail....but still room for improvement here as well...

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This is not to justify the Saudi's rules.[/size]

It's to be contrarian.Both your's and Danzig's were posted for that reason.The difference is that this is an everyday 365 days/year thing in a country like Saudi Arabia.Like the story says,they have a whole group of state thugs looking for stuff like this mixing of the sexes(without being married.)I knew you were coming.You couldn't resist the Islam apologetic crap.I know you have this nervous need to balance all the equations,but it's just not possible.

[Mortimer]

i didn't post the above to be contrarian scuds. i posted it because women don't have a long way to go just in saudi arabia. even we here in the u.s. have room for improvement. as i said in my post above, it's not on the same level as having police arrest you, but disturbing all the same.
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We're still waiting.

You can't wait to try to make other religions equivalent to the evil in Islam

What the hell...
Here is what I am saying:
You can read religious texts from almost any of the the religions that branched off from Judiaism... Christianity and then from Christianity came Islam, and you can find in those texts some pretty awful stuff. Have you ever read the OLD TESTATMENT. Any of these sects taken from an ultraconservative view can make absolutely viscious assertions. Add a little poverty to the mix, throw in a government that is run by the sects,and this could happen easily in Christianity (read the OLD TESTAMENT). Its like saying the Holocaust could have only happened in Germany.

I understand you. I think there is a very dangerous movement in Islam
that is completely against any individual rights. Horribly repressive groups
that hate Western ways and everything about them. From Women clad
in bikinis, to the overt display of dissproportionate wealth (this should sound familiar to you and your thoughts), and the totally hedonistic, unbrotherly ways of the Western world. There are Christians right now that say the same thing. Only thing is there is no uprising because they do not live in horrible poverty in huge numbers being fed weapons by their richer allies that are using them as cannon fodder.