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Old 04-13-2008, 06:33 AM
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Default W/E BSF's: Blue Grass 92; Arky 103 (!?)

Maker's Mark Mile: KIP DEVILLE 105 (Thorn Song/Einstein 103)
Blue Grass: MONBA 92
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Arkansas Derby: GAYEGO 103
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Old 04-13-2008, 09:02 AM
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A 92...

Pathetic.
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Old 04-13-2008, 09:04 AM
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I'll be waiting for the natural dirt result(Beyer fig) of Gayego's Ark. Derby. This may be a gauge of Colonel Jon and Bob BlackJack's possible Beyers if they had run on dirt, as these synthetic track preps all get lower Beyer speed figs, thus throwing out speed par history for these Derby contenders

A 105 Beyer in a route was attained by the majority, but not all, of past Derby winners going into the race. Only Big Brown has done that this year. Pyro and War Pas did it last year on a sloppy track, but Pyro now fails to win or be within two lengths in a mile and an eighth graded stakes. War Pass did hang on in the slow Wood Memorial to be a close second
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Old 04-13-2008, 09:12 AM
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pyro has had good dirt form. the bluegrass may rightly be a complete toss for him. i don't understand why asmussen went to keeneland, rather than oaklawn, with his #1 horse. especially with oaklawn considered as a very close cousin to the churchill surface.
but i'm not complaining, hard to really get behind a steve a. horse for me, but i won't discount a horse just because of it.
based on gayego and sierra sunsets runs, you'd have to think colonel john would need a long look. BUT, not all polys convert well to dirt. but a lot sure have at oaklawn!
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Old 04-13-2008, 09:17 AM
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I'll be waiting for the natural dirt result(Beyer fig) of Gayego's Ark. Derby. This may be a gauge of Colonel Jon and Bob BlackJack's possible Beyers if they had run on dirt, as these synthetic track preps all get lower Beyer speed figs, thus throwing out speed par history for these Derby contenders

A 105 Beyer in a route was attained by the majority, but not all, of past Derby winners going into the race. Only Big Brown has done that this year. Pyro and War Pas did it last year on a sloppy track, but Pyro now fails to win or be within two lengths in a mile and an eighth graded stakes. War Pass did hang on in the slow Wood Memorial to be a close second
The Arkansas Derby's figure isn't going to get anyone's heart racing either... Likely 95-96 or so.

And Mike, adjust your thinking away from the masses... The Wood Memorial wasn't 'slow'.
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Old 04-13-2008, 09:18 AM
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The Arkansas Derby's figure isn't going to get anyone's heart racing either... Likely 95-96 or so.

And Mike, adjust your thinking away from the masses... The Wood Memorial wasn't 'slow'.
no, it wasn't slow. the track however.....
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Old 04-13-2008, 09:26 AM
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When I saw that Assmussen was at Oaklawn instead of Keeneland (to get his picture took with the winner of the prestigious Bluegrass stakes) I knew Pyro was a no go.

I thought the Wood Memorial was a terrible race.
but the only race that looked respectable was the Santa Anita Derby.
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Old 04-13-2008, 09:27 AM
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When I saw that Assmussen was at Oaklawn instead of Keeneland (to get his picture took with the winner of the prestigious Bluegrass stakes) I knew Pyro was a no go.
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Old 04-13-2008, 09:31 AM
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When I saw that Assmussen was at Oaklawn instead of Keeneland (to get his picture took with the winner of the prestigious Bluegrass stakes) I knew Pyro was a no go.

I thought the Wood Memorial was a terrible race.
but the only race that looked respectable was the Santa Anita Derby.
You weren't impressed with the Florida Derby at all?
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Old 04-13-2008, 01:34 PM
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The Arkansas Derby's figure isn't going to get anyone's heart racing either... Likely 95-96 or so.

And Mike, adjust your thinking away from the masses... The Wood Memorial wasn't 'slow'.


Just because the track was glib means the Wood wasn't slow? I understand that you have to hack a few seconds off of the day's times, but even on a "normal" track, I don't think they would've gone faster than 1:50 and change..
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Just because the track was glib means the Wood wasn't slow? I understand that you have to hack a few seconds off of the day's times, but even on a "normal" track, I don't think they would've gone faster than 1:50 and change..
Pace, Joe.. The pace. Just because the two top horses that were tons better than the rest came home 'slow', doesn't mean the race was slow...
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Pace, Joe.. The pace. Just because the two top horses that were tons better than the rest came home 'slow', doesn't mean the race was slow...
Do you really think that the pace on Derby Day will be any better?
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