Dutrow's Confidence in Big Brown

[zippyneedsawin]

I Know.. not another Big Brown thread!! But I thought the quotes from Dutrow in the throughbredtimes.com article were rather interesting. I've never heard a trainer speak this confidently about his horse before the derby. ( I know, it's trainer-speak.. but it's usually more optimistic/positive.)
Here are some of this quotes:



"It’s a horse race and I have the best horse in the race. It’s that simple,” Dutrow said. “We’re going to Kentucky to win; anything less than that is not going to be OK with us. There’s such good karma going around the stable now that I don’t see how he can get beat.”

“I’ve never been in this kind of spot before but I don’t feel any pressure, not as long as my horse is going good,” Dutrow said. “I’m having fun. This is what I was born to do.”


“It’s an honor to be a favorite now and he’ll be the favorite on Derby day—I can guarantee that,” Dutrow said. “We’re a betting stable and we’ll make sure he’s the favorite.”


http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/rac...g-workout.aspx

[Travis Stone]

The "I don't see how we can get beat" line is a bit much, however, everything is else is what you need going into a major event. Look at Tiger Woods, you ask him everyday what his agenda is, and it's winning. Granted, he never says he won't win, but part of his success comes from his ability to use his confidence in himself to help reach the top.

This of course begs the question, what is Dutrow's handicap index?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

I Know.. not another Big Brown thread!! But I thought the quotes from Dutrow in the throughbredtimes.com article were rather interesting. I've never heard a trainer speak this confidently about his horse before the derby. ( I know, it's trainer-speak.. but it's usually more optimistic/positive.)
Here are some of this quotes:



"It’s a horse race and I have the best horse in the race. It’s that simple,” Dutrow said. “We’re going to Kentucky to win; anything less than that is not going to be OK with us. There’s such good karma going around the stable now that I don’t see how he can get beat.”

“I’ve never been in this kind of spot before but I don’t feel any pressure, not as long as my horse is going good,” Dutrow said. “I’m having fun. This is what I was born to do.”


“It’s an honor to be a favorite now and he’ll be the favorite on Derby day—I can guarantee that,” Dutrow said. “We’re a betting stable and we’ll make sure he’s the favorite.”


http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/rac...g-workout.aspx

He knows so much it was bad weather that led to Big Brown even stepping foot on dirt.

[ntheiroff]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

He knows so much it was bad weather that led to Big Brown even stepping foot on dirt.

Craig,

That is exactly what I mentioned to Pickwick several days ago.

[blackthroatedwind]

I actually enjoy Dutrow's bravado. Racing can be a game of unparalled characters.....and Dutrow definitely fits the bill. He makes it more fun in this respect. Let him brag away.......it makes a good story.

Dutrow thinks a LOT of horses he runs can't lose. If you like Big brown, and are betting him, you better hope this is one of the occasional times he is right.

[jms62]

Never heard such confidence and speaking in absolutes from a trainer going into the derby BUT could this be Dutrow securing a big paycheck for BB's connections and himself from UPS as a sponsor by selling Big Brown as a modern day Secretariat ? Sorry I am so jaded but his actions seem a bit curious. Then again Big Brown may get to eat from that special oat bucket, the one with such powers that you are so sure he will win you bet 160 K on him...

[slotdirt]

Did he read the Bobby Frankel script from 2003? Sounds like it to me.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I actually enjoy Dutrow's bravado. Racing can be a game of unparalled characters.....and Dutrow definitely fits the bill. He makes it more fun in this respect. Let him brag away.......it makes a good story.

Dutrow thinks a LOT of horses he runs can't lose. If you like Big brown, and are betting him, you better hope this is one of the occasional times he is right.

I agree.

I went to see First Saturday in May last night and that is what made that movie and this industry as a whole so interesting. Life would be dull if we were all the same.

[slotdirt]

I don't know, Sightseek, I saw the same movie you did last night. Where was the Bravada in that? I thought I saw six pretty humble guys going for the ride of their lives.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

He knows so much it was bad weather that led to Big Brown even stepping foot on dirt.

So, your assumption is that he never galloped/worked the horse on the dirt and thus had no idea whether the horse could handle it or not?

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

So, your assumption is that he never galloped/worked the horse on the dirt and thus had no idea whether the horse could handle it or not?

Isn't it more about the fact that he entered him in a turf race?

[the_fat_man]

Makes perfect sense without having to read anything into it. The horse is fragile; he hasn't run in months; why not put him on the surface, 1st time back, that he's already won on? Doesn't mean the trainer is clueless.

If he wins impressively on the turf (the field wasn't much on either surface) would it be a HUGE stretch for Dutrow to run him in the Floriday Derby?

More than, say, Motion running Adriano in the FoY off of his impressive turf win?

[ELA]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Isn't it more about the fact that he entered him in a turf race?

That might be the fact. However, if the turf race goes, how does that play out? If he wins big, Dutrow has options. I don't know what he would have done, and nobody could predict that. On the other hand, if he loses, well, who knows. Maybe the horse doesn't progress, move forward, hold up, etc. The world is made up of what if's as we all know. It's hypothetical. I don't know if I would call it luck or dumb luck for that matter.

Regardless, while your point is well taken, like him or not, Dutrow is no dummy. If it played out differently, he might not be sitting on the favorite for the Derby, but he is in fact right now.

Eric

[Cannon Shell]

Dutrow loves every horse he runs. This is just getting reported because it's the Derby and everything gets reported. He is actually a funny guy who tends to say whatever is on his mind at the time.

[pick4]

DRF reporter David Grening profiles Richard Dutrow Jr in his Sunday DRF article. Ricky has a lot to say. It goes without saying he's feeling pretty good about Big Brown's chances in that horse race they expect to win a week from today.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/94024.html

[SCUDSBROTHER]

You need luck to win that race.Prado is probably best at positioning horses.Prado is his favorite jock.Because it's a big field ,and he thinks he just needs to stay out of trouble,I think I would have switched to Prado.This isn't the Florida Derby.This race will have horses who can run early with him.This is a tougher assignment for the jock.Prado is smoother,and a more consistent rider.I would have upgraded to my main guy.It may be the only chance he has to win the derby,and why go with a jock who did indeed blow a triple crown by opening up a lil too early on Real Quiet? See,Kent has always been the type to go all in,and hope he can hold on.Prado is just smoother.

[ateamstupid]

I wasn't rooting for or against Big Brown until I read this nonsense.

"Until somebody shows me the beast, this is not a tough horse race," Dutrow said in a typical recent interview. "I'm training this horse for a horse race; I don't care what the name of it is. I feel he's the best horse in the race - I feel he's going to win the race. Anything else is going to be extremely disappointing to me.

"I know there's no one going into this race as good as he is right now. If he breaks clean, it's a mismatch to me on paper."

**** Dutrow in the pants. I hope Big Brown runs up the track. Then that douchebag will understand how difficult it really is to win the Derby.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

I'll tell ya something ,Joey.What chance do you think that Black Jack horse has to get 10f? All it would take is that horse getting a lil rank,and wanting to run off.If he sets a fast pace(with Brown laying a close 2nd-3rd-4th,) then it's gunna suck the middle and back of that field past that front.I don't care if he's best.When you got this many horses it ain't all up to you.You still gotta get lucky.This is not like the other 3 races he has had.He has been able to clear 3 times without much fight from anybody.This race is the 1st time all the best 3 year olds have met,and it will have horses who can run front, middle, and back. Can he clear on the far turn? He might,but he may have to go quite a bit quicker this time in the middle.It's different.On paper,he is best.This race has a stand out favorite.He will be targeted. We haven't had such a big favorite in the derby recently.They gunna be trying to get this horse in trouble.He can win it,but they will make it as hard on him as possible.

[hockey2315]

But Dutrow horses don't get tired. . .

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You need luck to win that race.Prado is probably best at positioning horses.Prado is his favorite jock.Because it's a big field ,and he thinks he just needs to stay out of trouble,I think I would have switched to Prado.This isn't the Florida Derby.This race will have horses who can run early with him.This is a tougher assignment for the jock.Prado is smoother,and a more consistent rider.I would have upgraded to my main guy.It may be the only chance he has to win the derby,and why go with a jock who did indeed blow a triple crown by opening up a lil too early on Real Quiet? See,Kent has always been the type to go all in,and hope he can hold on.Prado is just smoother.

I don't think Prado rides for Dutrow anymore after the St. Liam issue. I could be wrong though.