Big Brown Beyer 109

[cmorioles]

But, should it be?

If you look at the figures awarded in the other route races, one earlier in the card and one immediately after the Derby, it is apparent the Derby used a different variant from those.

Race 4, raw figure 107, Beyer 93, variant 14
Race 10, raw figure 118, Beyer 109, variant 9
Race 11, raw figure 97, Beyer 83, variant 14

So, if he had used the same variant, the Beyer for the Derby would be 104. Given all the ground loss, it certainly seems reasonable. I wonder why he didn't.

[AeWingnut]

is 109 a good number for a Ky Derby?

I'm curious how much further BB ran than everyone else in the top 4.

Big Brown stayed far outside the whole trip while Tale of Ekati 4th looked to have the perfect trip. Imagine Calvin found the rail immediately on Denis of Cork 3rd and Eight Belles 2nd managed to stay out of trouble more or less 2-3 wide.

[slotdirt]

109 definitely seems a little high to me as well, though as always, cmorioles explains it as well as just about anybody could.

[herkhorse]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

109 definitely seems a little high to me as well, though as always, cmorioles explains it as well as just about anybody could.

Yes, thanks cmorioles, and a big Happy Birthday too!

[Better Than Honour]

the number needs to be high or you would basically be saying the rest of the field ran in the low 90's. he is a very talented horse that happens to be beating very slow horses for grade 1 caliber 3yr olds.

[Kasept]

1 - BIG BROWN 109 (Previous three Beyers: 106-106-90)
2 - Eight Belles 102 (Previous three Beyers: 99-91-96)
3 - Denis of Cork 97 (Previous three Beyers: 88-96-82)
4 - Tale of Ekati (93)
5 - Recapturetheglory (92)
6 - Colonel John (88)
7 - Anak Nakal (87)
8 - Pyro (87)
9 - Cowboy Cal (86)
10 - Z Fortune (80)
11 - Smooth Air (78)
12 - Visionaire (75)
13 - Court Vision (73)
14 - Z Humor (73)
15 - Cool Coal Man (62)
16 - Bob Black Jack (62)
17 - Gayego (55)
18 - Big Truck (37)
19 - Adriano
20 - Monba



Here are the winning Beyer Speed Figures for last week's stakes races:

*Westchester (Bel): Divine Park (K. McLaughlin/A. Garcia) - 111
*Kentucky Derby (CD): Big Brown (R. Dutrow Jr./K. Desormeaux) - 109
*Churchill Downs (CD): Elite Squadron (J. Baker/J. Velazquez) - 105
*Turf Classic (CD): Einstein - Brz (H. Pitts/R. Albarado) - 103
*Nassau County (Bel): Zaftig (J. Jerkens/J. Chavez) - 101
*Alysheba (CD): Giant Gizmo (R. Frankel/R. Bejarano) - 100

*Inglewood (Hol): El Roblar (R. Mandella/V. Espinoza) - 99
*Humana Distaff (CD): Intangaroo (G. Sherlock/A. Quinonez) - 99
*Bouwerie (Aqu): Northern Nettie (R. Baker/E. Coa) - 99
*Kentucky Oaks (CD): Proud Spell (J. Jones/G. Saez) - 99
*Churchill Distaff Turf Mile (CD): Bayou's Lassie (D. Romans/E. Prado) - 98
*Turf Sprint (CD): Mr. Nightlinger (W. Calhoun/H. Theriot II) - 98
*Sumter (Crc): Imawildandcrazyguy (W. Kaplan/M. Cruz) - 97
*Mamzelle (CD): Just for Keeps (M. Maker/G. Gomez) - 97
*Chris Thomas Turf Classic (Tam): Revved Up (C. Clement/D. Centeno) - 97
*George Royal (Hst): True Metropolitan (T. Jordan/M. Gutierrez) - 97
*La Troienne (CD): Game Face (T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez) - 96
*Queenston (WO): Not Bourbon (R. Attfield/J. Jones) - 96
*Dashing Beauty (Del): Cash's Girl (T. Ritchey/P. Morales) - 95
*Shot of Gold (Cby): Tytus (J. Ness/P. Nolan) - 95
*Jackie Wackie (Crc): Fearless Eagle (E. Plesa Jr./M. Aguilar) - 94
*Louisville (CD): Ginger Punch (R. Frankel/R. Bejarano) - 94
*Tony Gatto Dream Big (Atl): Hesa Big Star (H. Wolfendale/H. Karamanos) - 94
*James B. Tafel Illinois Owners (AP): Lord Carmen (F. Kirby/R. Zimmerman) - 94
*Panhandle (Mnr): Bettin On M J (J. Cartagena/G. Almodovar) - 93
*Prairie Rose (PrM): Sole of the City (R. Brueggemann/I. Karlsson) - 93
*Hawthorne (Hol): Tough Tiz's Sis (B. Baffert/A. Gryder) - 93
*Tellike (EvD): Classify (S. Asmussen/D. Meche) - 92
*Need for Speed (EvD): John Charles (S. Breaux/G. Melancon) - 92
*Route 66 (WRD): Sumfun (W. Calhoun/C. Kimes) - 92
*American Turf (CD): Tizdejavu (G. Fox/G. Gomez) - 92
*Seattle (EmD): Nationhood (M. Chambers/R. Frazier) - 91
*Hasta La Vista (TuP): Mighty Bodacious (D. Vannorsdel/R. Eikleberry) - 90

*Timeless Native (AP): Coragil Cat (G. Geier/D. Sanchez) - 87
*Philmont (Pha): Monsoor (A. Velazquez/A. Prado) - 87
*Prairie Express (PrM): Magnus One (R. Brueggemann/I. Ocampo) - 86
*Naked Greed (Crc): Successful Love (M. Azpurua/D. Coa) - 86
*Music Prince (Bel): Mohegan Sky (L. Rice/A. Garcia) - 85
*Kentucky (CD): Run Away and Hide (R. Werner/R. Albarado) - 85
*Double Delta (AP): Dreaming of Liz (W. Catalano/E. Fires) - 84
*Edgewood (CD): Zee Zee (W. Mott/K. Desormeaux) - 84
*ATBA Sales (TuP): Big Bug Creek (K. Lewis/S. Gann) - 83
*Babst/Palacios Memorial (Beu): Catlaunch (I. Vazquez/I. Gonzalez), Dooze (M. Maker/V. Lebron) (*DEAD-HEAT) - 83
*Hookedonthefeelin (Pim): Dicey D J (L. Rice/A. Napravnik) - 81
*Jack Cole (SrP): Cattleman Prospect (R. Gonzalez/A. Medellin) - 80

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

Yes, thanks cmorioles, and a big Happy Birthday too!

Gracias.

[Kasept]

Weekend Beyer Speed Figures:

Westchester H. (Gr. III): Divine Park 111

Kentucky Derby (Gr. I): Big Brown 109
Churchill Downs S. (Gr. II): Elite Squadron 105
Woodford Reserve (Gr. I): Einstein 103
Nassau County (Gr. III): Zaftig 101
Alysheba (Gr. III): Giant Gizmo 100

Humana Distaff (Gr. I): Intangaroo 99
Kenucky Oaks (Gr. I): Proud Spell 99
Distaff Turf Mile (Gr. III): Bayou's Lassie 98
Aegon Turf (Gr. II): Mr. Nighlinger 98
La Troienne (Gr. III): Game Face 96
Louisville (Gr. II): Ginger Punch 94
Amer. Turf (Gr. III): Tizdejavu 92

Kentucky S. (Gr. II): Run Away and Hide 85

[mp3]

even better than big red

Ehh that's nice and all but why don't you give us some of that juicy information?

What brand and type of product is Iavarone using for his hair?

[the_fat_man]

WOW

I need JUNK FOOD.

Wait, that's what I usually eat.


P.S. was BB their OVERWHELMING choice BEFORE the Derby?

[tiggerv]

Ground loss is overrated.