$5.50 for this?

[NoLuvForPletch]

Why do we moan on a daily basis about gas prices going to $4.00 a gallon, when we are paying $5.50 for the paper they refer to as the DAILY RACING FORM? How long ago was it just $4, and $3.50 on track? It couldn't have been that long ago. Now, don't get me wrong, I like the articles but they could be read for free (most of them anyway) online. And call me a nitpicker, but is anyone else getting tired of the insane amount of errors in this thing? What the hell is 5/16 medication? Did anyone else see that yesterday or was that just special for my FORM? Why is it that they can't get the appropriate trainer stats correct ALL THE TIME? Is it too much to ask that if a horse is running with blinkers for the first time that the trainer's stats for 1st time blinkers appear in the PP's ALL THE TIME? How about some additional improvements? Why not have the M/L next to the horses name in the PP's so I don't need to spend the 1st half an hour I sit down with the FORM transposing them from the Graded Entries? How about listing the conditions of the race on top of each page the race is associated with? Why not add somewhere if the race is 1 turn or 2 turns? Is it a secret that only the most knowledgeable horseplayer is allowed to know how many turns are in a race at all of the different racetracks throughout the country?

And finally, the CLOSER LOOK. Is it me or are these guys just mailing it in at this point? I will do my best to keep the players a secret because they may be friends of your's and I know they come on Steve's show every now and again. But the content is poor at best. Pochman is most definately the most entertaining and supplies the most useful information. But the collection behind him leave something to be desired. I used to pick on Jan Rushton because her segment on the NYRA broadcast used to consist of reading the CLOSER LOOK to the fans at the track and at home. But even she must find the content useless because I've actually seen her taking the time to gather information on her own from trainers in the paddock. Here is my latest example of the offense. I wont say who, what horse excetera, but this is pathetic.

In referencing the performance over a racing surface the writer notes that the horse's performance over this specific track was "not very strong". The horse had two races over the surface. The last time he raced over the track the horse lost his jock. The first time he ran over the surface was his 2nd lifetime race, a MSW for 2YO's, where he went off at 20-1 + odds and finished third, 4 1/2 lengths behind a horse that won a G2 stakes race the following year. Do you think this guy even took the time to look at why his record was such over the surface?

$5.50 for a newspaper that doesn't even give you what you deserve, that's offensive.

[ArlJim78]

simple, don't buy it.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

its filled with gold...worth it at 7.50 pay attention to this guy watchmaker..hes very good....he made big brown the favorite in the preakness.

Needs more Watchmaker.

[MisterB]

Save the $5.50 then. or $4.50 at the track. I think the price is in line with everything else in this country. Go buy a gallon of milk, then come back and tell me you gave up milk.

Gas was 32 cents a gallon when I started driving, and I could bring a date out for less than $5.00 bucks, and come back home with $2.00.

Many other on-line PP's for a 1.00 a card.

[philcski]

I dunno, I buy it for the pictures.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by MisterB

Save the $5.50 then. or $4.50 at the track. I think the price is in line with everything else in this country. Go buy a gallon of milk, then come back and tell me you gave up milk.

Gas was 32 cents a gallon when I started driving, and I could bring a date out for less than $5.00 bucks, and come back home with $2.00.

Many other on-line PP's for a 1.00 a card.

I think the point I am making is that the price of gas increases but you still get gas. The price of milk increases but you still get milk. The price of the DRF increases and while the quantity of content may have increased (trainer stats, Tomlinson (by the way how does he come up a Turf figure in the 180's for a horse who's Grandsire is Danzig?) River Downs PP's, etc...the quality has diminished considerably.

[fpsoxfan]

I buy it for the three news stories they give you.

"We landed on the Moon"

[ShadowRoll]

Fifty years from now, you can sell it on ebay and get your money back.

[MaTH716]

The amount of information that you get for $5.50 is unbelievable.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

I buy it for the three news stories they give you.

"We landed on the Moon"

Now that's funny.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

I think the point I am making is that the price of gas increases but you still get gas. The price of milk increases but you still get milk. The price of the DRF increases and while the quantity of content may have increased (trainer stats, Tomlinson (by the way how does he come up a Turf figure in the 180's for a horse who's Grandsire is Danzig?) River Downs PP's, etc...the quality has diminished considerably.

Not even close to being a fair or logical comparison. Some people see it as a complete neccessity and having tremendous value, others will think it's a complete waste. So you fall into the latter. So be it.

Eric

[ateamstupid]

Jesus Christ.

Never thought I'd hear someone complain about paying five bucks for a DRF, when Ragozins are 35 DOLLARS A CARD and TG's are 25. At least you get multiple tracks from the Form, racing news and handicapping columns.

The only thing I'd agree with you on is that the Closer Looks are getting lazy, and the ink sucks, but that's about it. Everything else is fine, and $5.50 is a freaking bargain. Get a grip.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Jesus Christ.

Never thought I'd hear someone complain about paying five bucks for a DRF, when Ragozins are 35 DOLLARS A CARD and TG's are 25. At least you get multiple tracks from the Form, racing news and handicapping columns.

The only thing I'd agree with you on is that the Closer Looks are getting lazy, and the ink sucks, but that's about it. Everything else is fine, and $5.50 is a freaking bargain. Get a grip.

My only thing with it is I wish I would go to white paper, instead of newspaper. I don't get it because I end up getting ink all over my face by about the 5th race.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by ELA

Not even close to being a fair or logical comparison. Some people see it as a complete neccessity and having tremendous value, others will think it's a complete waste. So you fall into the latter. So be it.

Eric

Here's your locigal comparison as it pertains to Milk. Before I paid $4.00 for a gallon of milk. Now I pay $5.50 for that same gallon of milk because I have to expect that prices are increasing everywhere. Except now, the gallon of milk I buy is only 3 days from going sour instead of 10 days. I should accept this?

Where do I say that the information provided in the DRF is a complete waste? How the hell can one handicap without PP's? Is my point that difficult to comprehend? Do I write in code? Why shouldn't we expect the premiere racing periodical in our country to be top notch? If you feel that the DRF is top notch, and the errors and flaws I speak of don't exsist, then say so. But, I'm pretty sure that they do exist, because I don't just pull this crap out of my ass. I don't feel that the DRF's price increases over the past 2-3 years (somewhere between 35% and 40%) are justified based on the dimminishing quality over that same period.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Here's your locigal comparison as it pertains to Milk. Before I paid $4.00 fopr a gallon of milk. Now I pay $5.50 for that same gallon of milk because I have to expect that prices are increasing everywhere. Except now, the gallon of milk I buy is only 3 days from going sour instead of 10 days. I should accept this?

Where do I say that the information provided in the DRF is a complete waste? How the hell can one handicap without PP's? Is my point that difficult to comprehend? Do I write in code? Why shouldn't we expect the premiere racing periodical in our country to be top notch? If you feel that the DRF is top notch, and the errors and flaws I speak of don't exsist, then say so. But, I'm pretty sure that they do exist, because I don't just pull this crap out of my ass. I don't feel that the DRF's price increases over the past 2-3 years (somewhere between 35% and 40%) are justified based on the dimmishing quality over that same period.

Sorry, but it's not an applicable comparison. You might feel it is, and that's OK. Perhaps your problem will be solved if you don't buy milk or the DRF. If you do both, I certainly wouldn't drink milk while reading the DRF. Good luck.

Eric

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Here's your locigal comparison as it pertains to Milk. Before I paid $4.00 for a gallon of milk. Now I pay $5.50 for that same gallon of milk because I have to expect that prices are increasing everywhere. Except now, the gallon of milk I buy is only 3 days from going sour instead of 10 days. I should accept this?

Where do I say that the information provided in the DRF is a complete waste? How the hell can one handicap without PP's? Is my point that difficult to comprehend? Do I write in code? Why shouldn't we expect the premiere racing periodical in our country to be top notch? If you feel that the DRF is top notch, and the errors and flaws I speak of don't exsist, then say so. But, I'm pretty sure that they do exist, because I don't just pull this crap out of my ass. I don't feel that the DRF's price increases over the past 2-3 years (somewhere between 35% and 40%) are justified based on the dimminishing quality over that same period.

I still don't get the analogy.

can you put it in terms of bacon?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by MisterB

Save the $5.50 then. or $4.50 at the track. I think the price is in line with everything else in this country. Go buy a gallon of milk, then come back and tell me you gave up milk.

Gas was 32 cents a gallon when I started driving, and I could bring a date out for less than $5.00 bucks, and come back home with $2.00.

Many other on-line PP's for a 1.00 a card.

Yeah I like the work pattern for that one as well

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by MisterB

Save the $5.50 then. or $4.50 at the track. I think the price is in line with everything else in this country. Go buy a gallon of milk, then come back and tell me you gave up milk.

Gas was 32 cents a gallon when I started driving, and I could bring a date out for less than $5.00 bucks, and come back home with $2.00.

Many other on-line PP's for a 1.00 a card.

.....urrr old

[alysheba4]

i think gas was .64 when i started driving.......im old 2 ..........remember the racing times? i think that was what it was called. that was awesome.