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Old 06-02-2008, 09:51 PM
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In 2004, Smarty Jones was undefeated in his quest for the Triple Crown and at 1-5 looked like a lock. Big Brown faces simliar company on Saturday and he'll be the same odds. Is he that much better than Smarty Jones and if not, who looks to be the Birdstone of 2008??? I've been disappointed too many times the last ten years when we get this far, why should things be any different this year?
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:53 PM
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In 2004, Smarty Jones was undefeated in his quest for the Triple Crown and at 1-5 looked like a lock. Big Brown faces simliar company on Saturday and he'll be the same odds. Is he that much better than Smarty Jones and if not, who looks to be the Birdstone of 2008??? I've been disappointed too many times the last ten years when we get this far, why should things be any different this year?
Kent D is not Stewart f''n Elliot...
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:56 PM
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Kent D is not Stewart f''n Elliot...
True... but he came ever so close in 1998 and f'd up much like Stewy did.
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Smarty didn't or couldn't settle when the other horses came at him. BB doesn't need the lead and seems so pushbutton that he can be placed behind anyone gunning it to the front. Rather than be in Smarty's position, BB will be in Birdstone's position coming into the stretch. Servis talks about this at the end of this article:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/h...,3890965.story
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Big Brown isn't facing similar company.
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Old 06-02-2008, 10:09 PM
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Big Brown isn't facing similar company.
Other than Casino Drive, it looks like the same cast of characters.
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Other than Casino Drive, it looks like the same cast of characters.
This year's "cast of characters" isn't in the same league as that year's was.
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Old 06-02-2008, 10:15 PM
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This year's "cast of characters" isn't in the same league as that year's was.
Other than Rock Hard Ten & Purge....looks the same here.
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Old 06-02-2008, 10:16 PM
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We would already had a TC winner in Smarty Jones if not for Stewart Elliot bonehead of a ride. Ya Ya people blame Jerry Bailey for rushing eddington fast
early to duel with SJ but Elliot took the bait. And for people who think it was Baileys idea to rush early you are wrong the following articlae says it was Henning's idea.
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Other than Casino Drive, it looks like the same cast of characters.
Didn't also-rans Rock Hard Ten and Eddington go on to greater things post TC? I think RHT lost just one more race in his career and accounted for the Swaps, Malibu, Strub, Big Cap and Goodwood. Eddington took the Pimlico Special, Gulfstream Park Handicap, and Calder Derby. Not sure if anyone lining up this Saturday look to have that sort of potential.
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Didn't also-rans Rock Hard Ten and Eddington go on to greater things post TC? I think RHT lost just one more race in his career and accounted for the Swaps, Malibu, Strub, Big Cap and Goodwood. Eddington took the Pimlico Special, Gulfstream Park Handicap, and Calder Derby. Not sure if anyone lining up this Saturday look to have that sort of potential.

But, we didn't know that going into the race. Denis of Cork, Tale of Ekati and even Ready's Echo could prove more later on this year.
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Other than Casino Drive, it looks like the same cast of characters.

It's arguable that Birdstone, Rock Hard Ten and Eddington were all better than any horse Big Brown has ever faced.
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It's arguable that Birdstone, Rock Hard Ten and Eddington were all better than any horse Big Brown has ever faced.
Didn't see your post before I fired away...

My apologies.

And my inclusion of Purge isn't really justified. He didn't do too much.

Slipped that Grade One win in and off to the shed.
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Big Brown isn't facing similar company.

This comment says it all
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Bunch of crazytalk in this thread.

2004 field was infinitely better than this group...
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I miss Smarty

Almost felt like the days gone by when he was making his bid for the crown. Wonder if we will ever see that type of enthusiasm again over a horse. Was a really great story all the way around.
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Bunch of crazytalk in this thread.

2004 field was infinitely better than this group...
It isnt even close no matter how you feel about Big Brown or Smarty Jones. 2004's overall group was undoubtedly faster. Regardless, its not like it would have made too much of a difference in Smarty's fate. His belmont was slow and its not like it took an earth shattering performance to beat him.
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In 2004, Smarty Jones was undefeated in his quest for the Triple Crown and at 1-5 looked like a lock. Big Brown faces simliar company on Saturday and he'll be the same odds. Is he that much better than Smarty Jones and if not, who looks to be the Birdstone of 2008??? I've been disappointed too many times the last ten years when we get this far, why should things be any different this year?
Birdstone was a Grade 1 winner on the Belmont surface handled by one of the best trainers in the sport. He also went on to win the Travers to support he was a talent. Other then Casino Royale who has race 2 times in his career what the heck does Big Brown have to beat.. Also Smarty was totally screwed be Bailey and friends. Other then that NOTHING lol
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Old 06-02-2008, 10:14 PM
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Birdstone was a Grade 1 winner on the Belmont surface handled by one of the best trainers in the sport. He also went on to win the Travers to support he was a talent. Other then Casino Royale who has race 2 times in his career what the heck does Big Brown have to beat.. Also Smarty was totally screwed be Bailey and friends. Other then that NOTHING lol
Birdstone wasn't really thought of before the Belmont Stakes, after all he paid $74. Casino Drive could be Rock Hard Ten of this year in the wagering. Is there anybody out there that could be the "Birdstone" in price???
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