Dedumbeaux's Ride

The Bid · #1 06-07-2008, 11:49 PM

On a 1-10 how bad was Dedumbeaux's ride and strategy the first 220 yards of the race. 10 is the worst Dedumbeaux ride possible, use the Keeneland stand up at the 16th pole as the gold standard

Im putting the ride at 7 Dedumbeaux's

hockey2315 · #2 06-07-2008, 11:55 PM

I wish Belmont had Trackus. Seemed like from one angle Coa was herding Kent wide big time. Have to watch the head-on but it seemed like he covered way more ground than most have mentioned.

#3 06-08-2008, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

I wish Belmont had Trackus. Seemed like from one angle Coa was herding Kent wide big time. Have to watch the head-on but it seemed like he covered way more ground than most have mentioned.

The ABC angle from above had him 7 wide on the backstretch imo.
Quite amazing. Coa is a very determined fella. Very. He had the favorite
smack in the middle of his radar. I did mention it but it did not really
matter. He was cooked.

hockey2315 · #4 06-08-2008, 12:03 AM

Coa is ridiculously dirty. I think Drugs or someone actually predicted that he would pull something like he did. Not sure that it's what did Big Brown in, but it's a more viable explanation than "he was missing his winstrol fix."

#5 06-08-2008, 12:04 AM

It didn't matter but he almost got Big Brown's nose lodged in Da' Tara's ass.

The Bid · #6 06-08-2008, 12:06 AM

He may not have won today but the ride on that horse from the 1 hole was a high ranking Dedumbeaux butcher job

Ive never said hes a genius, I think hes a dumb rider. He had clean trips in the Preakness and Derby. He could have had a clean trip today if KD would have let him roll early

Bob when he talked about the horse on ESPN he never said well we had it rough early, I got in tight early, I had to steady. He said I gave the horse a nice clean trip and just didnt have any horse. If thats a nice clean trip Id hate to see what he thinks a bad trip is.

The Bid · #7 06-08-2008, 12:04 AM

Do I think it mattered? He lost the race 220 yards in by not putting the best and fastest horse on the lead. Allowing the horse to get pinned down, steadied, and ultimately buried. It was a horrible ride, yes I think it mattered. I think it cost the horse any chance he had of winning. Pathetic ride and he took no fault for the horses lack of run late.

He was rank because he let that crow cross over on him. He ran up heels, he steadied 3 times before they were 300 yards in. Looked like a bad run at Los Al

GBBob · #8 06-08-2008, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Do I think it mattered? He lost the race 220 yards in by not putting the best and fastest horse on the lead. Allowing the horse to get pinned down, steadied, and ultimately buried. It was a horrible ride, yes I think it mattered. I think it cost the horse any chance he had of winning. Pathetic ride and he took no fault for the horses lack of run late.

and I didn't hear anyone ask him either

but to your first point...why was he a genius for rating him in the Derby and Preakness then?

jcs11204 · #9 06-08-2008, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Do I think it mattered? He lost the race 220 yards in by not putting the best and fastest horse on the lead. Allowing the horse to get pinned down, steadied, and ultimately buried. It was a horrible ride, yes I think it mattered. I think it cost the horse any chance he had of winning. Pathetic ride and he took no fault for the horses lack of run late.

He was rank because he let that crow cross over on him. He ran up heels, he steadied 3 times before they were 300 yards in. Looked like a bad run at Los Al

you are 100% correct, he should have went to the lead and made someone beat him. not take back, and chance other jockeys teaming up on him, like coa did.

GBBob · #10 06-08-2008, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

you are 100% correct, he should have went to the lead and made someone beat him. not take back, and chance other jockeys teaming up on him, like coa did.

I've searched you tube for a "red board on jockey ride" that I could post but came up empty

GBBob · #11 06-07-2008, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

On a 1-10 how bad was Dedumbeaux's ride and strategy the first 220 yards of the race. 10 is the worst Dedumbeaux ride possible, use the Keeneland stand up at the 16th pole as the gold standard

Im putting the ride at 7 Dedumbeaux's

do you think it really mattered?

I wasn't sure what was going on in the first quarter, but he wasn't winning no matter what KD did or didn't do.

Ironically, BB looked more rank coming out of the gate on the head on than the maiden did

johnny pinwheel · #12 06-08-2008, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

On a 1-10 how bad was Dedumbeaux's ride and strategy the first 220 yards of the race. 10 is the worst Dedumbeaux ride possible, use the Keeneland stand up at the 16th pole as the gold standard

Im putting the ride at 7 Dedumbeaux's

i disagree. that horse looked awful form the opening of the gate. what race were you watching, he stopped. he did not exactly lose by a length or two. it was not the same horse. i could tell he was in trouble on the first turn. going into the second turn i knew he was done. the thing i did not like about kent is he wouldn't admit that horse was sore. believe me i've seen enough races, the horse was trying to pull right from the start and was not even gliding smoothly like he did in the other races. God could of rode him he was not winning like that . he could of been scratched but that would of been a disaster, the pressure was on.

dylbert · #13 06-08-2008, 02:00 AM

Big Brown couldn't have won if Jerry Bailey had jumped from ESPN to saddle today. Horse looked horrible. From experience here in Deep South, BB appeared to react to record high heat in New York this afternoon. He may have other problems that have not been fully uncovered as well. You can hang jockey if you wish. KD did his best to keep BB whole as end of race when all Triple Crown hopes and dreams had expired.

ArlJim78 · #14 06-08-2008, 07:40 AM

Coa did his part, thats for sure. He kept Big Brown pinned behing D'Tara early, then pushed him out on the backstretch. With that said, you give Big Brown a dream trip from the outside and he still would have lost yesterday.

Kent stopped on him I think just to not have the indignity of getting passed by the maiden while in a drive.

Handicappy · #15 06-08-2008, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Coa did his part, thats for sure. He kept Big Brown pinned behing D'Tara early, then pushed him out on the backstretch. With that said, you give Big Brown a dream trip from the outside and he still would have lost yesterday.

Kent stopped on him I think just to not have the indignity of getting passed by the maiden while in a drive.

Kent stopped on him because that is what Kent does. He should have done what every over jockey would have done. He should have just wrapped him up and galloped home. But this was all about him and he does what he usually does. When he doesn't think he can win he gives up on the horse. If you don't believe me, look at his non-gallop out on Golden Doc A in Indian Blessings race. Horse finished last and he didn't even get a 16th past the finish and he yanked him up. Golden's assistant who was there was pissed.

But as much as I dislike KD as a jockey, Dutrow bears responsibility. You don't miss 4 days of training during this TP cycle, go into a 1 1/2 mile race and expect to not have a problem. Rumor on the back stretch was there was alot of blood under the patch of the quarter crack. Someone said blood was gushing out of it.

But I have never seen so much anomosity for a trainer and jockey as there is for those two. Dutrow brings it on and Kenny D. does as well with his rides. I have no fault with the first 220 yards. I think he was an ass the last part of the race with the world watching. It looked like another Barbaro breakdown.

fpsoxfan · #16 06-08-2008, 08:27 AM

To me, BB looked very much like War Pass did in the Tampa Bay Race.
I thought Kent had a decent ride on him. He got the horse to the outside and there was nothing there. Horses are vulnerable and they do get beat.
The Triple Crown will have to wait another year. It wasn't the best crop of three year olds, but it was a fun and interesting year. Hopefully we will see BB run again.

Thunder Gulch · #17 06-08-2008, 02:04 PM

I think Desormeaux moving Real Quiet too early ten years ago may have cost him the Triple Crown, but nothing he could have done yesterday would have made a difference. The horse just didn't have it.

MaTH716 · #18 06-08-2008, 08:05 AM

Kent mentioned that the horse "slipped" coming out of the gate. Then he was clearly uncomfortable being on the rail. Kent put him on the outside where he likes it (Hell they opted for the 20 in the derby over the rail) and then it seemed that Coa was intent on putting Big Brown in to the Parking Lot. He did look very wide on the backstretch (that stupid abc/espn view finally paid off). This is a horse that had always seemed to have perfect trips, this was the first time that he really had to deal with a little trouble. I do think it did affect him, but bottom line is that he just didn't have the horse. So even if Kent got him to the lead or kept him clear, I do not think it would have mattered. The horse had nothing when Kent asked him.

arulus · #19 06-08-2008, 01:55 AM

Um, what was the jockey supposed to do? Trample half the field into the ground in order to swing out within the first five seconds? Even though he probably got explicit instructions not to go to the lead until late? He was obviously looking to get BB into a comfortable spot as soon as he could, but he was forced to steady because it was impossible to go forward or sideways at that moment. He got the horse into a golden position after the first twenty seconds, and Big Brown just couldn't pull it off. Easing him up was absolutely the right thing to do; you could already tell halfway around the turn that the horse was struggling.

Nothing that Kent D. did made Big Brown flop so spectacularly. Coa did look like he was herding him wide, but considering he went all the way on the outside in both the Derby and Preakness, you wouldn't think it would be too huge of an issue...