BELMONT WED. C/O: 'my thank you note'

[docicu3]

While making a cursory first look at the last 6 races on Wednesday I am somewhat flabbergasted by the absence of the obligatory Maiden Claimer, MSW, 10K claimer or multiples of the above.

Somebody got the sequence and conditions right this time although I am sure the 6 and 7F turf sprints will draw ire from those who would rather bet jumpers than bet turf sprints.

A very fair yet challenging P6 Wednesday will probably reach 3 million in the pot and should be drawn regularly on carry days but for what ever reason gets carded contrary far too often.

For all the grief the NYRA racing secretary takes regularly let me be among the first to say thank you for fine effort with this one.

[ateamstupid]

Once you look at the PP's, I think you'll be tearing up that thank you note. The quality of the fields ranges from mediocre to bad.

[reese]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Once you look at the PP's, I think you'll be tearing up that thank you note. The quality of the fields ranges from mediocre to bad.

In YOUR opinion...supported by nothing.

You must favor those 5,000k claimers at CD or the 4 horse fields at GG.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by reese

In YOUR opinion...supported by nothing.

You must favor those 5,000k claimers at CD or the 4 horse fields at GG.

You must have about 8k laying around to piss into this pool because that is what it is going to take to hit this thing, unless you are incredibly lucky.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Scav

You must have about 8k laying around to piss into this pool because that is what it is going to take to hit this thing, unless you are incredibly lucky.

That's sort of the initial point of the thread. This is a Pick-6 sequence that offers a very real possibility of a substantial reward for work well done. That's not always an easy thing to do.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Scav

You must have about 8k laying around to piss into this pool because that is what it is going to take to hit this thing, unless you are incredibly lucky.

I am incredibly lucky, so I'll be taking a crack at it.

With 4 days to handicap, I have very certain opinions about the card and I'll either be right or wrong, but I won't be sitting on the sidelines.

[reese]

Originally Posted by Scav

You must have about 8k laying around to piss into this pool because that is what it is going to take to hit this thing, unless you are incredibly lucky.

The ISSUE made by your pal was the card is filled with "mediocre to bad stock". THAT is the point I answered.

YOU are commenting on a different issue. ..the DIFFICULTY of handicapping the card for a pick 6...: or maybe YOU can explain precisely "how the (alleged) mediocre or bad stock" in the P6 at Belmont RELATE to constructing a pick 6?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by reese

The ISSUE made by your pal was the card is filled with "mediocre to bad stock". THAT is the point I answered.

YOU are commenting on a different issue. ..the DIFFICULTY of handicapping the card for a pick 6...: or maybe YOU can explain precisely "how the (alleged) mediocre or bad stock" in the P6 at Belmont RELATE to constructing a pick 6?

I kinda agree with him in regards to the quality, but it is a Wednesday, hard to expect anything else. I think he was trying to convey the notion that bad stock is less reliable then good stock, which will open up a whole other can of worms that I care not to get involved with

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by reese

The ISSUE made by your pal was the card is filled with "mediocre to bad stock". THAT is the point I answered.

YOU are commenting on a different issue. ..the DIFFICULTY of handicapping the card for a pick 6...: or maybe YOU can explain precisely "how the (alleged) mediocre or bad stock" in the P6 at Belmont RELATE to constructing a pick 6?

Channeling the Gary Stevens character, George Wolfe, from the Seabuscuit movie?

That's hot.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Once you look at the PP's, I think you'll be tearing up that thank you note. The quality of the fields ranges from mediocre to bad.

I'm curious Joey.....how much time have you spent handicapping the card? How much time do you spend daily, weekly, monthly, and annually, handicapping and looking at races around the country.

Personally, I think you stand on very week ground for someone who speaks authoritatively about a lot of things in the game.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Scav

I kinda agree with him in regards to the quality, but it is a Wednesday, hard to expect anything else. I think he was trying to convey the notion that bad stock is less reliable then good stock, which will open up a whole other can of worms that I care not to get involved with

Thank you.. The original post was lauding NYRA for not carding a bunch of maiden claimers, cheap claimers, etc. I was just trying to say that once you look at the PP's, it's not that much better. That doesn't mean it's unplayable, but I was disagreeing with the idea that it's a great card.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm curious Joey.....how much time have you spent handicapping the card? How much time do you spend daily, weekly, monthly, and annually, handicapping and looking at races around the country.

Personally, I think you stand on very week ground for someone who speaks authoritatively about a lot of things in the game.

Here we go again. I said the fields are lousy on Wednesday in terms of quality. I don't see why that gets you so irritated. I'm curious.. Why the hell do you assume that I'm not a handicapper, don't watch replays, etc.? What will it take to get you to stop losing your **** at every one of my posts? Should I end each thought with "* pending approval by Andy"?

I really don't care what ground you think I stand on, because I don't claim to have any above average knowledge of the game. However, I have opinions, and just because you back yours up with "I'm Andy Serling, you're not," doesn't mean I'm not going to continue to have them and express them.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Thank you.. The original post was lauding NYRA for not carding a bunch of maiden claimers, cheap claimers, etc. I was just trying to say that once you look at the PP's, it's not that much better. That doesn't mean it's unplayable, but I was disagreeing with the idea that it's a great card.



Here we go again. I said the fields are lousy on Wednesday in terms of quality. I don't see why that gets you so irritated. I'm curious.. Why the hell do you assume that I'm not a handicapper, don't watch replays, etc.? What will it take to get you to stop losing your **** at every one of my posts? Should I end each thought with "* pending approval by Andy"?

I really don't care what ground you think I stand on, because I don't claim to have any above average knowledge of the game. However, I have opinions, and just because you back yours up with "I'm Andy Serling, you're not," doesn't mean I'm not going to continue to have them and express them.

i happen to think ateam is a pretty sharp capper and saw him do well all toga meet in 06...fyi..we cant all be pros..

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

i happen to think ateam is a pretty sharp capper and saw him do well all toga meet in 06...fyi..we cant all be pros..

That's more BS Hooves. That wasn't what I said at all, and if Joey wasn't so into playing the victim he would have understood what I posted.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

i happen to think ateam is a pretty sharp capper and saw him do well all toga meet in 06...fyi..we cant all be pros..

toga '07 was a different story... he should have went with my picks!

[blackthroatedwind]

BS Joey. You probably looked at the card for two seconds and made some flip comment. Too bad if you don't like being called out for it. However, you make a lot of brash statements around here and barely ever get called out them ( and never by anybody but me ).

I've only looked at the card for a few minutes myself, and so far it looks pretty interesting. The point of my question to you, if you took time away from your usual victim stance, was that if you actually spent time looking at racing around the country you would know that this card is well above average.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

BS Joey. You probably looked at the card for two seconds and made some flip comment. Too bad if you don't like being called out for it. However, you make a lot of brash statements around here and barely ever get called out them ( and never by anybody but me ).

I've only looked at the card for a few minutes myself, and so far it looks pretty interesting. The point of my question to you, if you took time away from your usual victim stance, was that if you actually spent time looking at racing around the country you would know that this card is well above average.

OF COURSE COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE COUNTRY IT'S A GOOD CARD. I was comparing to other Wednesdays at Belmont, which often have some very good races on them. This card, I think, has none. For example, I was at BEL on May 14, and I felt that THAT was an awesome card.

And I've looked at the card for about two hours now.. Still mediocre, COMPARED TO WHAT'S THERE USUALLY.

[Kasept]

4th (2:36)

1 Mile | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Allowance Optional Claiming

1 Love Co Prado E S 116 L
2 My Dinah Espinoza J L 116 L
3 Aly's Colors Sanchez J 121 $25,000 L
4 City in the Clouds Coa E M 121 $25,000 L
5 Seventeen Love Garcia Alan 121 L
6 Guts Game Gomez G K 121 L
7 Silver Elegance Luzzi M J 121 L
8 La Mure Morales S 114 L
9 Reyana's Jet Maragh R 121 L
10 Duchess of Rokeby Chavez J F 121 L



5th (3:08)

1 1/8 Miles (Inner turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Claiming ($35,000) | Purse: $34,000

1 Elder Skatesman Samyn J L 120 $35,000 L
2 All in No Outs Coa E M 120 $35,000 Blk-On L
3 Prairie Boy Sanchez J 120 $35,000 L
4 Morning's Image Morales S 113 $35,000 L
5 Kick Up Your Heels Prado E S 120 $35,000 L
6 Hot Table Desormeaux K J 120 $35,000 L
7 Youbethecan Velasquez C 120 $35,000 L
8 Allaboutmack Hill C 120 $35,000 L
9 Nikkinikkinikki Velazquez J R 115 $35,000 Blk-Off L
10 Bad Streak Chavez J F 115 $35,000 L
11 Taken Not Given Rodriguez R R 120 $35,000 L
12 Classic Impact Espinoza J L 120 $35,000 L
AE Star for Tina Samyn J L 120 $35,000 L
AE Flash of Victory Castellano J J 120 $35,000 L



6th (3:40)

1 1/16 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Starter Allowance | Purse: $49,000

1 Sumphin Desormeaux K J 121 L
2 Stormy Mirage Velazquez J R 119 L
3 Footloose Man Garcia Alan 119 L
4 Romp (ARG) Maragh R 121 L
5 Brushed Prince Berrios Cruz J 114 L
6 Willsboro Point Coa E M 117
7 Personal Good Hill C 117 L
8 Dancing Tin Man Velasquez C 121 L
9 Chalook Espinoza J L 121 L
10 Baystreet Bully Samyn J L 119 L
11 Saint Barr Prado E S 121 L
12 Red Demon Luzzi M J 121 L



7th (4:12)

6 Furlongs (Inner turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Allowance | Purse: $49,000

1 La Ransom Desormeaux K J 116 L
2 Our Montana Dream Gomez O 121 L
3 Koufax Curve Prado E S 116 L
4 Justinline Maragh R 118 L
5 Flying Sappho Velazquez J R 121 L
6 Citifiesta Samyn J L 118 L
7 Mia Chavez J F 121 L
8 Zip by You Coa E M 121 L
9 Myakka Velasquez C 116 L
10 Cizi Rodriguez R R 121 L
11 Classic Love Hill C 116 L
12 Posey Park Espinoza J L 121 L
1A Mine Or Who's Desormeaux K J 116 L
2B-MTO Union Center Gomez O 121 L
13-MTO Karakorum Playmate Morales S 109 L
2X-MTO Kitty Nip Gomez O 121 L

A-Coupled: La Ransom and Mine Or Who's
B-Coupled: Our Montana Dream and Union Center and Kitty Nip



8th (4:45)

7 Furlongs (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Allowance | Purse: $55,000

1 Betelo Desormeaux K J 119 L
2 Jed Greeley Garcia Alan 121 L
3 Unbridled Refrain Sanchez J 117 L
4 Cloud Nine Espinoza J L 119 L
5 Pennington Coa E M 123 L
6 Big Wig Gomez G K 117 L
7 Raynicks Fan Velasquez C 121 L
8 Papa Bear Hill C 121 L
9 Forest of Dreams Castellano J J 121 L
10 Pluracity Velazquez J R 117 L



9th (5:17)

6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Claiming ($25,000) | Purse: $41,000

1 Bomber D Back Garcia Alan 117 $25,000 L
2 Mackinaw Hill C 119 $25,000 L
3 Never Stop Dreamin Espinoza J L 123 $25,000 L
4 Say Karakorm Sandy Rodriguez R R 117 $25,000 L
5 Stand Pat Sanchez J 117 $25,000 L
6 E Z Dollar Morales S 110 $25,000 L
7 Newmont Luzzi M J 121 $25,000 Blk-On L
8 Estimator Velasquez C 121 $25,000 L
9 Golden Amulet Castellano J J 121 $25,000 L
10 Ten Forty Desormeaux K J 121 $25,000 FTL
11 Conquer the Fear Coa E M 123 $25,000 L
12 Honor Evening Maragh R 117 $25,000 L
AE Five Demon Bag Bermudez J E 123 $25,000 L
AE Unbridled Wish Hill C 119 $25,000 L

[ateamstupid]

Scratch Reyana's Jet out of the fourth (cleared N2X condition Friday).

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Scratch Reyana's Jet out of the fourth (cleared N2X condition Friday).

And the AE Flash of Victory in the fifth - cleared condition at Philly park yesterday